|POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||pollster|
Oct 24, 2001 9:21 AM
|part 2, essay question- why?|
|It's not about the testicles. . .||js5280|
Oct 24, 2001 9:39 AM
|As a testicularly challenged individual (had to have one removed because of testicular cancer), I can definatively say it's not about "balls" or lack of them. It's about integrity, the willingness to stand behind what you say and believe in and enduring the slings and arrows you may receive. Testicles mainly produce sperm and testosterone, neither which are necessary to stand behind your beliefs. If it were the case, women would be in a bit of trouble. Of course, most of us here are under pseudonyms anyways and we know bullshit when see it. Who cares, just ignore the idoits and flamers who have little to nothing to contribute.
I'm not crazy, just half nuts ;-)
|I second that! (nm)||Dave Hickey|
Oct 24, 2001 9:51 AM
|pot-kettle-black-a-hole||R. U. Putinmeon?|
Oct 24, 2001 9:42 AM
|living in glass house?||Dog|
Oct 24, 2001 9:44 AM
|It would be great if everyone used their name or at least one consistent handle. Being able to identify people adds credibility (or not), and continuity.
I agree using multiple, made up, handles is a little cowardly, and mostly employed by those taking snipes at others and usually are the ugliest posts.
If you can't say it with your name or regular handle on it, you probably should not be saying it.
Your post is a bit ironic, though, considering the handle used.
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||morey|
Oct 24, 2001 10:03 AM
|I use my real name, a consistent handle. I sometimes catch so much hell that I wish I had not used my name. I do not think it takes balls, because over 50% of our population does not have them, and are regular users of this post.|
|One plausible explanation is...||PsyDoc|
Oct 24, 2001 10:33 AM
|...deindividuation. In a nutshell, deindividuation is a loss of sense of self; you forget about your own norms and those of society. In a deindividuated state, people's normal inhibitions may decrease and they may engage in behaviors they normally would avoid. Anonymity is one factor that contributes to a state of deindividuation. Other contributing factors are arousal, and diffused responsibility. |
Deindividuation has been shown to be a factor in the manifestation of riots or other unruly group behavior where "normal" people engage in behaviors that they normally would not. "Real world" studies have shown, for example, that Halloween trick-o-treaters who wear a mask, thereby increasing their anonymity, engage in more antisocial behavior (e.g., stealing candy) than do trick-o-treaters who are identifiable. Also, real-life events have shown, for example, that when a large crowd is present at someone's suicide attempt (e.g., jumping off of a building or bridge) that some sections of the crowd have begun chanting "jump." I doubt most people would engage in such behavior if they were only one of a handful of people present.
Even those of us who use a consistent "handle" on this message board are still somewhat anonymous, but we do still suffer when we violate the established norms. We suffer, because other group members here do not let us get away with bashing someone, for example. Those individuals who post anonymously are not negatively impacted by such actions due to their anonymity; they are not held accountable for their actions/words. Sure, other members will often rise up and condemn the anonymous poster(s) who are attacking someone, but the effects of the chastising are less intense due to the poster's sense of anonymity. You can sometimes see this when an anonymous poster is chastised for attacking someone, but this serves to spur the anonymous poster to amplify his or her attack to include those who tried to chastise him/her.
|LOL - Thats great!||Kristin|
Oct 24, 2001 10:56 AM
|I'm impressed. But that's why your a prof., eh? Not to get completely off the cycling subject, but what are some factors that allow certain people deindivduate more readily than others? (For instance, I feel constrained to maintain my true identity online and off.)|
|LOL - Thats great!||PsyDoc|
Oct 25, 2001 3:42 AM
|Perhaps the reason you feel constrained to maintain your true identity online and off is because your handle is your real name (or is it?). Regardless, by using a consistent handle over time, you develop an identity; those who post anonymously do not. Situational constraints are one factor that contribute to deindividuation. For example, many people go to Mardi Gras, some in masks others not, and end up doing things that they normally would not do. Basically, they become part of a larger group (anonymity, reduced feeling of individual responsibility) and this larger group develops its own norms. In turn, people tend to go with the flow. One woman flashes to get beads and then it seems like every woman is flashing. From flashing, the behavior gets even more lewd.|
|Does this make me||Mel Erickson|
Oct 24, 2001 12:15 PM
|the most accountable, individualized person on this board? And also the most inhibited?|
|My own ethics.||Largo|
Oct 24, 2001 10:46 AM
|Don't ever say anything on the net to someone you wouldn't say to them in person.
Hard to hold back , though, when you get attacked.
As long as people use their regular handle, and keep it civil (theres nothing the matter with disagreeing)there should be no need for anonymous posts.
Oct 24, 2001 11:55 AM
|You, sir, said a mouthful.
Treat others as respectfully as you would like to be treated, whether on a forum or face to face.
I for one have only used one name here, I use the same name on other forums as well.
|My words come back to haunt me||PaulCL|
Oct 24, 2001 11:02 AM
|Yes, I am the one who referred to a poster as "ball-less". I did not mean this as an insult to our "testicle-free" posters - sorry ladies. Maybe, I should have used the term "gutless".
If you don't have the nerve to post your name and stand behind your comments, then why should we honor them by responding?? If the poster doesn't have a consistent handle on this board we cannot get to know that person. If you use the same handle consistently, you build a reputation - good or bad.
The post that I used the term "ball-less" was directed towards an anonymous poster who was insulting America and Americans. Lets' just say it hit a nerve.
Right or wrong, positive or negative, rude or courteous, male or female, poseur or fred or Cat 1 : have the guts to post a name/handle and be consistent about its' use. This is generally a very friendly board with a lot of good people on it. I like to know who I am connecting with.
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||DINOSAUR|
Oct 24, 2001 12:20 PM
|Most of us who have posted here long enough have mentioned on occasion what their real name is, age, occupation, where they live, type of bike they ride, yada yada yada.
The perfect solution would be if everyone just logged on under their real name.
If anyone is interested here ya go:
Klein Quantum race
rambles about what my next bike will be
serious rec rider 5K year +/-
Goal: to ride till I drop
Motivation: "Rome wasn't built overnight."
If you talk the talk can you walk the walk?
|My boring story||mickey-mac|
Oct 24, 2001 12:26 PM
|Until I lost my name during the board update, I was using my real name: mike mcmahon. Despite using a new nickname, I sometimes sign my messages with my real name and have made no effort to hide my identity:
38, 39 on Nov. 25
Wife and two kids (1 and 4)
Los Angeles, CA
Strong Foco w/Chorus 10
Torelli EL/OS w/Chorus 8
Griffen mtb w/Shimano LX
About 7200 miles so far this year
Goal: same as Dinosaur
|kin to George Armstrong? Brig.Gen. US Army, (Ret., w/prejudice)||bill|
Oct 24, 2001 12:28 PM
|kin to George Armstrong? Brig.Gen. US Army, (Ret., w/prejudice)||DINOSAUR|
Oct 24, 2001 12:37 PM
|5th cousin, twice removed.
We just found out the my wife is the great granddaughter of
Daniel Archuletta who was a lawman during the late 1800's/early 1900's in Magdalena New Mexico. Her great, great grandmother was 1/4 Apache. I think the Indians are still getting their revenge....
|Or, maybe to be more precise, the Custers aren't. nm||bill|
Oct 24, 2001 12:45 PM
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||Dave Hickey|
Oct 24, 2001 12:47 PM
Director- Transportation industry
Married 17 years- non riding spouse
Two boys 14 and 10 avid hockey players
LOOK KG241, KG286, KG281. Vitus 797. Looking for a Peugeot PX10 to restore. Don't know what is is about French bikes!
Ridden 4800 miles so far this year
Oct 24, 2001 4:50 PM
|Dave, email me offline. I saw a local listing for a PX10 that you might be interested in.
|'Nuthin to hide as well||Tig|
Oct 24, 2001 1:35 PM
|"It is better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you aren't". I think that quote sums up what the "ball-less" posters have somehow missed. My ethics are somewhat similar to Largos. Anything I'll say behind your back will be the same as I'd say in front of you. You may not like it, but I'll be honest. We don't all have to agree, but I shoot from the hip and love honesty above all else. Free speech comes with responsibilities, and sometimes critisisms.
Doug Ford The "Tig" handle is an old one from past chat days, short for Tigger.
Happily married to my part time cyclist wife of 2 years.
Retired firefighter/paramedic; used to work in NASA; now a LAN system admin.
I ramble about the good ol' racin' days, as well as what my next bike will be.
Serious, yet somewhat sane recreational rider trying to balance time with other important things in life.
Goal? Maybe the journey is a better goal than the destination.
"Life is pain.
Suffering is optional!"
Oct 24, 2001 1:46 PM
Mark Wanco, age 42
New Cumberland, PA
Medical technologist/charge tech eve/night shifts
Look kg271, Raleigh m600 mtb, 70's Schwinn single-speed
Married 14 yrs, 2 girls, ages 7 and 9. 1 in ballet(9yr old), one in soccer
No specific bike-related goals, except those mentioned in another post!
Oct 24, 2001 4:35 PM
Paul C. Listerman (guess where the PaulCL came from?)
Married, three great children: Molly,Abby, Adam and a great,sexy wife
Edgewood, KY near Cincinnati, Ohio
Colnago Bititan, Record 10spd, two bit legs
wanna race, have raced, will race again
Addicted to cycling Feb thru Oct, then woodworking and racquetball
Motto: "don't do it unless your gonna do it right" or "Do what you believe is right, and if they hate you for it, screw'em!" (that attitude has gotten me into a lot of trouble)
Goal: to ride 'cause it brings me peace.
Motivation: fitness, calmness, beating the pain
|I'm game too...||hms|
Oct 24, 2001 5:34 PM
|I'm only an occasional poster, but I have learned a lot from this board over the past year |
Mark Stichel (HMS -- H. Mark Stichel)
Age 42 (43 on 11/15)
Lawyer, Baltimore, Maryland
Married, two daughters (9 and 12)
Did not ride from the time I was a teenager until June 2000, caught the bug, have ridden approx. 2800 miles since 1/1/01.
Trek 5200 (black, not the postal colors)
Why do I ride? It feels good and puts me in a better mood.
Goals? Ride faster, ride longer, see some other parts of the US on a bike, get my family (or at least one member) more interested in riding
|me (here we go again)||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 25, 2001 10:24 AM
occupation: that's a military secret (ok, i'm a computer geek)
ride: specialized allez, bianchi giro
4100 miles to date, 2001: 2 centuries, 2 double metrics
Goal: really long, painful rides
Motivation: beer. lotsa beer.
"Just put your head down and keep pedaling."
I've also always enjoyed:
"More beers, less gears."
Working on that one.
Oct 25, 2001 2:15 PM
Job: Engineer (Mechanical)
Ride: 99 Fuji Finest, ambivalent about it
Haiku Hero: the poster formerly known as jefferyh
Daily bike commuter.
Not as serious of a cyclist as many here but regular and I enjoy it.
Most of my posts' subject lines end in an ellipsis (...)
_42 is a personal thing and too long a story to tell here
|No, just impolite and taking advantage of the net. nm||MB1|
Oct 24, 2001 1:31 PM
|Agree w/MB1 - arrested development-types w/0 else to do (nm)||RhodyRider|
Oct 24, 2001 6:55 PM
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||Dutchy|
Oct 24, 2001 6:08 PM
|Mark Hollander (Dutchy)
Animator for TAFE (large college network)
Married 3 years and change
Giant CFR1 96' Ultegra
Cannondale M900 with slicks LX
Balance FS MTB STXrc
Goal for this year 4000km/ 4600km so far
Ride for the freedom
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||Brit Racer|
Oct 25, 2001 2:34 AM
|No real reason for the alias, use my name on some sites, not on others...
SAP systems consultant
Single but living with long term girlfriend
GT ZR2.0 Chorus 10
Scott G-Zero MTB
Several other bikes in pieces
Main competitive sport is rowing (Elite level) but cycling's my way of doing extra training without getting bored. Do some road racing in the summer, still got a lot to learn about tactics... :)
Around 3000 miles this year on the bike but obviously do a lot of miles on the water too...
|re: POLL- are nameless posters "ball-less"?||PsyDoc|
Oct 25, 2001 3:54 AM
34 (I share Elvis' birthday: Jan. 8th)
Married 5 years to an absolutely great woman who rides with me when it's nice out
First child (a boy) due late February
Current ride: Seven Axiom Ti
Psychology Professor at Valdosta State University in South Georgia (hence "PsyDoc")
A favorite Chinese proverb: "Tell me, I forget; Show me, I remember; Involve me, I understand"
More info at: http://chiron.valdosta.edu/mawhatley Click on "Life Away from Work" and "Personal Trivia"
|mini-bios are sooo missing the point||nm|
Oct 25, 2001 5:01 AM
|Wrong again, anonymous one (nm)||mickey-mac|
Oct 25, 2001 5:21 AM
Oct 25, 2001 5:21 AM
|And what would that be?||Leisure|
Oct 25, 2001 6:03 AM
|Granted it's a bit cheesy, but these are also self-actualized contracts to be socially responsible, despite an obvious lack of negative repercussion. Your statement is the last defense mechanism of someone afraid of doing the same. Well, short of name-calling that is, and it's good that you're not. It's really nice to see some people taking the initiative to do something positive, especially in the face of some of the immaturity I've seen. What's the fun of anonymity anyway?
Ken E. (sorry, it's part of my occupation)
Gunnar w/Daytona stuff
Psychiatric technician of all things following degrees in Bio and Chem and being pre-med for longer than I want to recall. Terminally lost due to excessive immersion in assorted hobbies, but recently started up again in MechE.
Ultimately, names are arbitrary and what we attach to them is a combination of choice and social construct. What's really important IMHO is that we try to remain open and responsible for who we are.
Now, tell me about your mother.
|And what would that be?||DINOSAUR|
Oct 25, 2001 8:13 AM
|I can remember in the past on several occassions there have been threads requesting information about the members using the forum. The first one I recall was initiated by Downhill Steve who was the web administrator. I can recall at least two or three other times that this type of stuff was requested. People come and go, it's sort of interesting to read about other people who are spread out all over the country and come from different walks of life but share the same passion. When someone posts under an anoymous name using derogatory remarks, it takes away from what they are trying to say. The world is such a big place, we are lucky if we even know who our neighbors are anymore. I don't know where I am going with this, but you can't teach people manners on how to behave on an internet cycling program.
We should take responsibilty as to who we are. I suspect I'll even receive a couple of negative anonymous replies from this message. I doubt the person who started this thread will come out into the open. I've seen post on the VoloNews forum with the same personal information. It makes our input more valuable if you can connect a person to the log on name. Perhaps we just don't want people to know what are real names are as I one time they had access to our email addresses. I don't know. My thinking that is life is way to short to worry about stuff like this.
Oct 25, 2001 9:45 AM
|Do you suppose that some of the anonymous flamers may sign off on their more moderate posts with their own name? Maybe they are afraid of losing their credibility on this board if they post their real name to a risky post they want to make.
It's nice to know a little bit of your personal lives, but I don't require it. I'll slip in some personal info of myself from time to time if I think it applies to the post, but I do choose for now to maintain the boundary of anonymity here rather than list out my vital stats. I'm kind of an iconoclastic sort who often rides solo. Among my greatest fears is to end up on some mass-marketer's maillist. They usually misspell my name anyway.
Oct 25, 2001 10:01 AM
|Yeah I'm sort of an iconoclastive sort myself, just about all my rides are solo. I tried the group ride club thing and found out that too many people can screw up a good thing. Anyway I like to see where am going on familiar roads. Also I can just ride out of my driveway and don't have to worry about being somewhere at a certain time or place.
My main problem is too much free time due to a down bike because of waiting for a replacment Rolf rim (Trek is a sore subject with me now).
With that thought in mind, I'm outa here... I think this subject has been beat to death....
|I'll bite....||Len J|
Oct 25, 2001 2:42 PM
|and give my info. BTW, I agree that posting anon. takes little courage & no integrity.
CFO & part owner of Manufacturing co in Maryland
4 kids 21,19,18,16
Married to a gift.
Cycling seriously off & on for most of my life.
Current ride Trek 5500.
"Life is about choice".