|Pinarello Prince or Opera? Why?||hank|
Oct 23, 2001 8:27 PM
|Which one would you get Prince (aluminum W/carbon) or the Opera (steal w/carbon)?|
|re: Pinarello Prince or Opera? Why?||tr|
Oct 23, 2001 8:38 PM
|I know you know the answer. I visit here enough to know that. All depends on what you want out of it and for how long. I have one of these. Really, i think they are both fine frames. One would think Opera is real sweet on a long ride and the Prince is nice and fast. Is essentially the steel vs aluminum question. Robert Millar reviewed both of these in "Pro Cycling" and i think he did a good job in both cases.|
|re: Pinarello Prince or Opera? Why?||DINOSAUR|
Oct 23, 2001 9:02 PM
|For me right off the bat it would a difference of $600.00.
Both are fine rides, I've never ridden a al/carbon or st/carbon bike. I'd edge for the Prince, nicer fork and lighter. If you've got the money shoot for the moon and go for the Prince.
Or screw both bikes and buy my Mopar it's still for sale, it's all steel and a steal...
Oct 23, 2001 9:12 PM
|I think this is a different hank and not your Mopar cohort. If I'm not mistaken Hank the Mopar afficianado spells with an H not an h and has been missing for a while.|
|re: Pinarello Prince or Opera? Why?||Ron L|
Oct 23, 2001 10:09 PM
|I ride both bikes built with ReCord. I tend to use the Opera for the longer rides and climbs. It's hard to pick one over the other but the Prince can be thought of as a all-out race machine.
Toss a coin, you can't go wrong.
|Question for Ron||5ive|
Oct 24, 2001 5:13 AM
|Hey Ron. I own a Prince and I'm curious as to why you prefer the Opera for the climbs. I haven't had a chance to ride an Opera yet and want to know how different an Opera feels compared to Prince on the climbs. Thanx in advance.
As for myself, it was vanity more than anything else that made me choose a prince over an opera. I liked prince's looks (especially its front-end and the thick down tube) over opera's aesthetics. I also owned a steel ride previously and wanted to try an aluminum bike. I was amazed to find how comfortable it was despite my worries. And at the same time, it is the stiffest and more efficient bike I've ever been on.
|Question for Ron||Ron L.|
Oct 24, 2001 4:22 PM
|I like the Prince, but it's more of an aggressive riding bike (crits and circuits stuff). Thicker tubes, fork and 31.8 seat tube. The it can hold a top speed with not a lot of effort. I fell it's best suited for faster shorter rides(less than 60miles). I get off the Opera (built the same as the Prince)and a 80 mile ride feels like a 50 to 60 miler.
I've also been riding a Moots VaMoots for about two years. I think that has a lot to do with the ride I wanted.
You are so right-on, the Prince is long on looks. What color did you get??
|go for whatever you find prettier. :) nm||raboboy|
Oct 24, 2001 6:04 AM
|Opera, and a headset question for Pinarello owners||Tig|
Oct 24, 2001 7:34 AM
|I like the Opera since I like the feel of steel and it costs a little less for the same wonderful Pinarello quality. I'd take the Prince in a hearbeat though!
Question to Opera and Prince owners: This may depend on the year your was made, but did it come with a standard headset or integrated headset? I'm sure the 2002 are using integrated. It's not a problem or anything, but just curiosity. I'm narrowing my choice for the next frame to be either a Calfee Tetra, A Pinarello Opera, or maybe a Ciocc EOM.
|2001 Prince -- came with integrated headset (nm)||5ive|
Oct 24, 2001 9:18 AM
|Opera, and a headset question for Pinarello owners||tr|
Oct 24, 2001 10:57 AM
|The opera does not come with integrated headset, just prince. I am fairly sure that is the case in 2002 also.There are not that many steel frames that come with integrated headset. There is Tommasini (sp) and Pegoretti and probably a few others by now, maybe the Ciocc you mention. There are builders who do not like integrated headset, Colnago and Fondriest to mention a few. They don't even offer it on their aluminum frames. But, the new Fondriest carbon TF1 offers integrated headset. i think De Rosa steel has integrated headset, the Corum i think is the name. Have seen one of these, beautiful with larger headset, like the Pegoretti.|
|Wish I had that problem.||mmaggi|
Oct 25, 2001 6:22 AM
|Both frames are gorgeous.
But the Prince has bigger tubes and an integrated headset and of course, the Prince is aluminum and the Opera is steel.
I'm sure the Prince rides almost as comfortable as the Opera. I'm also sure the Prince has a "tighter" feel to the ride. In other words, when you're on the Prince there will be no doubt that you're riding a pure racing machine that makes efficient use of your energy.
The Opera will be a slightly more comfortable ride, but not by much. I'm sure the Opera is "tight" too but it will have somewhat of a damp steel ride.
If you could test ride both that would be great. But finding a shop with both frames built up to test ride will be quite a challenge.
I would go for the Prince only because I love aluminum.