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Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...(22 posts)

Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...dustin
Oct 23, 2001 6:23 PM
ok, so here's the deal. i've thought hard about the Italy/ bike purchase thing, but another variable has been added to the equation. a motorcycle.

story: i've talked to guys at Cycle 360 and they're like "oh, no, you wouldn't save any money if you bought a bike overseas...blah blah...see, you buy a frame from us and we'll set you up with Record for a mere $2300." add that to frame price and i'm looking at around 5000$. that's like "woah!" i was thinking maybe 2000$ for trip to Italy, and 3000$ for bike (Pinarello, or maybe a Look) overseas, then the cost to get it back in the States, so 5000$ just for bike seems kinda shakey. or am i wrong about the value of the dollar overseas?

the motorcycle: ok, well, the reason i first got my bike (Specialized Allez Sport double) was 'cause i knew i wouldn't be able to afford a motorcycle, but i wanted two wheels and i wanted to go fast. but now, the money isn't going to be that big of a deal. i mean, it is, but not as much thanks to financial aid. i figure a YZF R-6 will put me back about 7000$ which i would have by the end of summer.

now the main problem: my mom is like "son, i'd rather not see you spend that kind of money on a bicycle. i'd rather you get a motorcycle." i have to take her opinion in account 'cause she paid for some/most of my school. so it's like stay home this summer and get a bike built up, go to Italy and get a bike, or get a motorcycle. now, i'm 19, ok. and my window of opportunity to go out on a limb is getting slim, so i want to make a decision i won't regret a couple of these are almost once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. i at least want to get a new fork...or wheels...something to reduce the 23lb bike i ride. what would y'all do? new bike in US, new bike in Italy, or motorcycle with small upgrades to the Allez?
re: Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...cycleguy
Oct 23, 2001 8:08 PM
If I were 19 again had the chance and money to do what you are thinking of? I would go to Europe and spend all the money in the company of a beautiful young women enjoying all the food, wine, and sights that Europe has to offer. But then you seem to have more sense then I did when I was your age. :)

Now as someone who has a son your age my advice to him would be. See above.

P.S. I'm sorry, but to hear someone 19 say that their window of opportunity is getting slim? Youth, it's a shame to waste it on the young. Upgrade your bike, buy a used motorcycle that is reliable. Then take the money left over and go see Europe on your bike. Enjoy the company of a few young women and have some memories that will last a lifetime!
re: Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...dustin
Oct 23, 2001 9:01 PM
haha, the "window" like i took from Road Trip...great movie.

for me it's deciding between:

Serious chick magnet (i.e. Yamaha YZF-R6)
or a
Seriously badass bike that's probably better than i am...

was i correct about the value of the dollar in Italy?
re: Italy update...and such...kinda long, i
Oct 23, 2001 8:24 PM
Go see europe and get a bike in italy. You won't be sorry. I went to Italy two years ago and wish i had gone earlier. You can't go to europe too early. You can get a bike or motorcycle in USA anytime!
re: Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...MJ
Oct 24, 2001 1:05 AM
travel will immeasureably change your perspectives for the better - make sure you have long enough and get to know at least one area - take a language course (put it towards that UT language requirement - German has never really helped me - but you're from Fredrickburg); get a job; get lucky; get to know the locals; see a football match; get drunk and sleep in a park; food

acquisitions just gets you more stuff

as you're young, and a long way from any window edge, the decision between getting more (good) stuff or travelling should be to travel

you're not racing - a 23lb bike is still doable

good luck deciding
woah. how did you know i was from f-burg?dustin
Oct 24, 2001 9:46 PM
re: Italy update...and such...kinda long, i guess...John-d
Oct 24, 2001 2:33 AM
Go to Italy and buy your bike with whatever is left.

I went to France when I was 19 and travelled Med. and Alps and watched the TDF and met the people. That was 42 years ago. I still have the memories and the photographs.

Been married 38 years, now we both still chose travel over lumber. Oh yes, I know Mums (Moms) are important, but it's time to break out.
nice oneMJ
Oct 24, 2001 3:14 AM
I like that - travel over lumber (or motorcycles, or stuff)
Think Ducati nmDavid Loving
Oct 24, 2001 4:29 AM
Oct 24, 2001 4:32 AM
If you get a 600, you'll be bored in 6 mts and want a 750/800/900/1000/1100/1300. Trust me, I've been there.
"Bored" is a gross exaggeration, Berry...RhodyRider
Oct 24, 2001 6:24 AM
These modern 600cc sportbikes are WAY more bike than probably 98% of the population can handle, you know it and I know it. The average sportbike poser-guy can't even turn these things ("uhhh...what's countersteer?!?"), and the rear tire is usually worn flat from "smoky burnouts" and wheelies. Prompting a 19 year old to get a 1000cc superbike as his first street bike is irresponsible. Ya gotta crawl before you run, my $0.02 worth.
Don't mean that.Berry
Oct 24, 2001 7:03 AM
Too much to handle don't come into it - no one buys bikes like that. What I mean is, you get a 600 four, and you scream around on it for a bit. You then get burned by someone on a 750 (like a YZF - same as your 600, but faster) and you think Hmmm...

Or you take a pillion and you think - "Gee - another 300cc would be really good here, as would a little more room".

Or you think - 11,000 rpm is great, but the bottom/mid grunt and pull of a 900 V4 - or a 1300 twin.

Or you do a long run and think "a big fared 1000 would be great for this"

And so it goes on. I know. Been there.

Irresponsible? I know - that's why I wasn't "prompting a 19 yr old to get a 1000cc superbike". I said don't get one.
Though I prob think that a 900 is a safer bike all round - they don't tend to make you want to thrash them at 9000 plus the whole time, and hence prob keep you a little more level headed. I say that as someone who used to have a GSXR 750R, which demanded that you kick it the whole time. My current CBR1100XX doesn't do that. And it stops better too.

AT the end of the day, you have to remember motorbikes=dangerous. It's all relative.
Brilliant reply, yours. I accept & agree with your points...RhodyRider
Oct 24, 2001 8:15 AM you clearly have scads of experience aboard motorcycles. I'll bet you started out with some anemic little putt-putt and worked up to the Zook & the Honda, though, didn't you?
My FZR600 (c. 1990) was pipey just like your GSXR - If I didn't keep it above 8500, it had no life. Fun, but intense and tiring. My next bike will be Il Monstro...
Now let's get back to bicycles! Peace.
Euro PinarelloPrince
Oct 24, 2001 7:04 AM
Pinarello Prince bikes with Record 10 trade at aroung $4000, best place to get these are Italy, Andorra, England, maybe Spain.
Take the tripLazy
Oct 24, 2001 7:12 AM
You can have one hell of a summer for $5000 in Europe. Go buy yourself a backpack and a Eurail pass and go for it. You will never regret it. You may, however, regret buying a $5K bike or a $7K motorcycle.

Also, as others have said, your window of opportunity is not closing. You're barely old enough to be able to see the window yet.

Good luck.
Take the tripMJ
Oct 24, 2001 7:19 AM
agreed - also you'll be old enough to drink (legally) in Europe :-)

your windows haven't even opened yet - let us know what you do

And further more...Lazy
Oct 24, 2001 12:09 PM
Right now you are in a pretty rare situation. You have the TIME to take a trip like this. Don't worry about the money, you can always save/make more money. But your window of opportunity is closing in a sense. In 5-10 years you (more than likely) will not have the time to take a nice leisurely trip like you are thinking about. You'll have stuff like a job and/or a family to worry about.
And further more...dustin
Oct 24, 2001 3:15 PM
whoo, yeah, exactly what i mean (the 5-10yrs) thing. though, i think it's down to about 3yrs.
make a choice: cycling or motorcylek mand
Oct 24, 2001 7:40 AM
I think you need to make a decision on where your interests are. At 19, you have plenty of time to sample. Good motorcycle leathers and helmet will be a grand and I am sure you will get bored with a stock set up on the r6. Cycling is also a big cash commitment as well as time and pain.

I stopped riding motorcycles 2 years ago becuase I was bored. I never get bored of cycling since it always challenges me. Most people don't have the talent to ride nor the enviornment to really enjoy the performance of today's sportbikes, hence the term "squid" which is usually found on an R6. I had a Ducati 916 with carbon Termogini pipes, wheelie heaven and actual track time ridden. I don't understand your priorities, if you are serious enough to purchase a Pinarello with Record I am assuming you race or an overzealous enthusiast that rides all the time.

How do you have time to train and screw around on an R6? Have you considered insurance for a 19 year old? About the cost of a Pinarello. If you live in a dorm or fraternity there's a good possibility the Pinarello will be lifted.The people who own a Pinarello have one interest: serious cycling. Keep the $3g, the Allez and go to Italy and by then you may have discovered another interest to spend financial aid on. Your Pinarello will end up on ebay for $2grand. Do you ride a 56? I'll be keeping on eye out for it.
make a choice: cycling or motorcyledustin
Oct 24, 2001 3:12 PM
well like the other reply was saying, i'll want a 600, then a 750, then 900 yadda yadda...but that'll be the case whichever way i go. the want to upgrade is always a constant. i could be riding my dream bike or motorcycle and would still find things i'd want to change.

i mean, i look at my bike here, and i really want to go ride, but i'd rather study so i can get my GPA back up. i don't race. i want to, though. really badly...especially since i think that after a few months i could make a difference on the UT team.

insurance? yes, actually. 2yrs ago, i sat on the Yamaha i was gonna get. had the money in the account ready to pay for it, and knew that the insurance would actually be less since i had the bike paid in full. but, a week later, my jeep died. so i had to get another primary vehicle. i live in an apartment. both my bikes are in my room. one next to the bed, one next to the door. i'm not too worried about them getting stolen. i'm considering taking the mtb to school so i don't have to walk or ride the bus everywhere.
make a choice: cycling or motorcylek mand
Oct 25, 2001 7:47 AM
If your're a strong rider (love riding)and can make a difference on the team, then what an opportunity. In college, you will have more time than you ever will in the future to train. Also, you can get it done on a Cannondale for much less money than a Pinarello. Most student athletes I knew who were on golf, baseball team (not fball or bball) had exceptional grades becuase they fell into a disciplined regiment. Best time of your life to travel too, you'll never forget it.
Spend the money on that.

If you really like motorcycles, wait until you have an income out of college. Then get a 900, you'll have more of a mid range power band for street riding. Motorcycles are only as fast as the rider decides so forget the too much power for first bike crap. Take a safety course and maybe even a Keith Code class. Also, they hold value over 600s in case you decide to sell it. And don't skimp on helmet and leathers, I know people where it has saved their lives.
19. Window of opportunity getting slim. LOLBrian C.
Oct 24, 2001 10:49 AM
Any fool can buy a motorcycle. (And I mean that in an endearing way.
To me, it's a no brainer. Take the trip.