|did first "brick" yesterday. that much pain is just dumb.||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 22, 2001 9:48 AM
|let me preface by saying i'm not a tri/duathlete, and that i run like a wounded [name of non-running animal here].
rode a 22 mile hilly route from the front door at almost 19 mph avg, which is right at my best times on that route, changed shoes in the garage and took off running. only made it 3/4 mile before i stopped for fear of blacking out in pain and misery (i was going too fast). i can't believe how much that hurt. you guys remind me never to run, ever, again.
there's a sprint-distance duathlon sunday that i've been eyeing since summer 2000. any suggestions? i've done some 5k and 8k runs, but never a mixed event.
|I do sprint distance duathalons||vanzutas|
Oct 22, 2001 10:01 AM
|the closest races to me are short duathalons 1.5m run/8m bike/1.5m run. I have done seven of them in the last 2 years and my times have really improved. I could do the running or the biking easily but doing both can be tough on the same day. I brought a friend one time who is a very good cyclist and he did the run and when he got about .25 miles into the bike he had to quit because of his back.
I have found that my back is what hurts the most. so my advise to you is to start stretching your back now and do it when you do the transition between the bike and run. I even stretch on the bike when going down hills.
The way I look at it is that it is a short distance and you can live with a little pain during the race. You are young you'll heal.
|same thoughts here...||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 22, 2001 10:09 AM
|I figured it's going to be painful just short of injurious, and will require a few days recovery. But then again, that's the fun of it, right?
It's a 2 mile run / 15 mile bike / 2 mile run. The runs are flat out & backs and the bike is a rolling out & back with two short and steep hills in the middle.
Oct 22, 2001 10:15 AM
|I've been a runner for a long time, 24 years & this year I took the summer off to bike. I had a great time!! I ran a 5K after just biking for 2.5 months & it was tough...not rhythm at all. I'm getting back into running for an annual Turkey Day race & I've found that mixing the two works much better, probably 'cause your body gets time to adjust.
I agree, stretching is always good.
Oct 22, 2001 10:31 AM
|Hey toss a little swim mayhem in there and you'll really have something! No doubt about it the transition from the bike to running is quite humbling. Problem is you can't really "cram" for the event with less than a week to go, so use your head. Just do the event to _enjoy_ it and don't worry too much about your time - you can always look at your "great improvement" if you do it again ;-). It's called "sandbagging" and it needs to be done with style! |
The wifey and I sometimes like to see how many "events" we can get in on a given day. Anything over 20 min. and gets the heartrate up counts (so "sex-ercise" has potential). Really bad ideas are going surfing for several hours and then trying to MTB with non-surfers. You will be dawg slow and your legs will feel like rubber.
Used to do tris until I blew out my foot (plantar fascitis) - always use shoes wtih enough support - especially when backpacking.
|> 20 minutes?||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 22, 2001 10:58 AM
|you marathon man, you! guess i couldn't include sex-ercise in my event days, then. :-E
if i run like a badger, then i swim like an overweight housecat. i'd considered taking up swimming laps at the local community gym, but i've already got enough on my plate. it's rough just riding the miles, with family, work, life...i'd rather be on the bike. maybe when the little one is a bit older i'll give the aquatic option a thought.
there are some off-road du and tri events 'round here that might be fun. haven't even considered them before today.
Oct 22, 2001 11:19 AM
|You can practice tri swimming at any public pool on a viciously hot summer day. Just pick a line and swim with your eyes closed.... Good luck....
Only thing better are *rough water* clinics set up by local tri groups in your area. Bring your mouth guard.
|re: did first "brick" yesterday. that much pain is just dumb.||morey|
Oct 22, 2001 10:41 AM
|I do not even run to the bathroom!|
Oct 22, 2001 3:35 PM
|The only thing that I can think of that is worse than running would be............well, maybe I'll think of something later:-) I only run if my life is in danger!|
|Do it!!! You'll be hooked and before you know it...||APG|
Oct 22, 2001 12:26 PM
|...you'll be doing triathlons!!! Bricks do get easier as your legs get used to the trasition from from running to biking. Also, as you approach to transition, gear down to your easiest gear and spin to loosen up your quads.
|like anything else.. practice||dotkaye|
Oct 22, 2001 12:46 PM
|yup, that first mile is a bear, especially if you weren't running much anyway. The more bricks you do, the easier it gets.. but it's never easy, as such. Just start real slow, to let the legs get used to the idea, then pick it up after the first mile or so.|
Oct 22, 2001 1:10 PM
|The distance and profile you mentioned is very similar to the first and only duathlon I ever did (2 mile run / 20 mile bike / 2 mile run) I run like a slug on Demoral; I have to struggle just to do 10-minute miles (pathetic!). I did extremely well on the bike, however, and won my bracket simply on the merits of my time trialling ability.
The best advice I can give you is to go as easy as you can on the run, and be relaxed, focussed and strong on the bike. Wear your heartrate monitor on the bike and stay within your limits. It doesn't matter how bad you are at running, because at that mileage percentage, a decent cyclist can and will make up massive amounts of time.
This was the advice my triathlete teammates gave me, and it worked incredibly well:
Since this is a "first" for you, don't worry about overall placing. Set a reasonable time goal, and work towards that. You will be amazed at how many people you pass on the bike.
Other recommendations: Wear a skinsuit (if you have one); as this is the most comfortable and efficient piece of clothing you can wear for both the run and the bike - mine all have a rear pocket for carrying gels, a car key and the like. Failing that, wear a standard cycling jersey and shorts; you can run in bike clothes, but you can't bike in running clothes. I wore my cycling gloves on the run, and was glad of them to wipe away sweat with.
Get registered and to the event early so you draw a decent spot in the transition racks. Otherwise, you'll be stuck in the ruck and have to weave through folks and bash elbows in the transition area, or worse, there won't be rack space left and you'll have to lean your bike against a fence, tree, car, etc...
The transitions are a lot simpler than people make them out to be. The crucial part is to make them as calm and efficient as possible. *Take your time*; it's not Ironman competition. If you have to stretch, do it; taking the extra 30 seconds in the transition may save you minutes down the road if you cramp up.
Before you start the first run, make sure your bike is absolutely ready to go, including bottles in the cages and tires pumped up, free of debris, aerobars tightened down, etcetera. Place a towel next to (or under) your bike, with your bike shoes, sweat rag and helmet on it. Food, gels, etc... are carried in the pocket of your jersey. When you transition from the run to the bike, swap out your bum bag (if you carry a bottle on the run) and your running shoes for your helmet and bike shoes. Untie your running shoes (don't just kick them aside) and leave everything neatly on the towel for the next transition. Also, don't worry about clipping your shoes to your pedals because this won't save you enough time to be worth the risk of hanging off the bike one-handed trying to strap up.
That's about it! Good luck, hope you enjoy yourself, and (like the ad says) Just Do It! Goodness knows I suffered like a dog through my first duathlon, but I enjoyed it, in the same perverse way I enjoy cyclocross racing. I've been keeping my eyes open for duathlons with a low proportion of run to bike in Colorado, so far haven't found any. If I do, I'll certainly try it again!
|wow, thanks!||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 22, 2001 1:26 PM
|I don't use an HRM, but am planning to save pennies for a nice one by the end of next summer. too many other things i think i need between now and then, including a good set of lights for longish rides next season. my HRM-equivalent these days is breathing through my nose. if i can't, i'm pushing. if i can, i'm keeping it within the envelope.
this is great advice, some i hadn't considered. too late to early register for a good transition spot, but i'll hope for a good one anyhow, and chalk it up to experience.
my hopes are 18 minutes for each run leg and 50 minutes on the bike, for a total of 1:26, not including a minute or two per transition. the time ranges for males in my age bracket for 2000's event were 1:03 to 1:32. i'm not sure if i can maintain 9 minute miles; i was running 8 and 8.5 minute treadmill miles through the winter, but it's been that many months since i ran with any regularity. i'm hoping for a boost from adrenaline in the last leg.
|thanks, all! good input. ride report monday from my...||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 23, 2001 4:44 AM
|journey to the "dark side". that is, if i'm not in traction.|| |