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Human Growth Hormone(19 posts)

Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 5:40 AM
This is probably for everyone over_0. HGH is being used on older people to lower the body fat content, improve skin resiliency, and improve musculature. The theory and the fact is that HGH levels drop dramatically after 30, therefore we get fatter etc. You can buy HGH in an oral spray (non-prescription), or visit a Dr. that is using HGH.
My question would be for us older individuals, would we do it if it is deemed safe? My literature search is positive.
forget itjacques
Oct 19, 2001 7:06 AM
Taking HGH slows or stops the body's natural production of the important somatotrope hormone (STH). HGH also has a very brief half-life once inside the body (that's why it's such a popular drug in pro cycling.)

This means that once on HGH, you're probably going to take it frequently and for a long time. With the known dangers of HGH overdosing, you should be very careful.

I'm not going anywhere near this stuff.
forget itmorey
Oct 19, 2001 7:34 AM
Nice to know that someone realizes why pro athletes love it - short duration in the body - very difficult to detect and expensive. It sounds like a panacea - however, things that sound too good usually are not.
Wasn't there some cancer suspicion, too?cory
Oct 19, 2001 7:50 AM
Don't remember everything I read about that, but somewhere I came across a report, or at least speculation, that HGH in high doses might trigger or at least accelerate the growth of cancer cells. I think I'll leave it alone...
Wasn't there some cancer suspicion, too?brider
Oct 19, 2001 8:14 AM
Right, HGH accelerated the growth of cells, and doesn't differentialte between good and bad ones. Also, if you look at a lot of the pro bodybuilders (who are using large amounts of lots of steroids, HGH just bein gon e of the popular ones), you'll see a lot of protruding guts. HGH causes growth of the internal organs as well. Not good news.
Also, What about HGH-15......Len J
Oct 19, 2001 7:56 AM
type products that allegedly stimulate the Pituatury (SP?) gland to secrete the HGH that is already there (but unreleased). Research suggests that as we age, it is not a matter of the body not generating enough HGH but rather our bodies do not signal the Pituatary to release all of what it makes. i.e. the body releases less and less as we get older.
Here is a Link.....Len J
Oct 19, 2001 8:39 AM
http://www.ghr15central.com/ghr15.html
re: Human Growth HormoneWayne
Oct 19, 2001 8:11 AM
Can you really buy HGH without a prescription? Go and see a doctor, if nothing else most MD.'s who proscribe drugs usually do so only after protocols have been scientifically validated. It won't be long (esp. another 20 yrs when I get 50+) when many men will be taking anabolic steroids and HGH as hormone replacement, just like many women now take estrogen replacement. Of course there will be some risks but nothing like those that athletes who take huge amounts risk when they take these drugs. It will come down to whether hormone replacement offers advantages of an increase in quality of life that outway the risk of increase in cancer liklihood. Don't confuse all of the negative hype about steroid and HGH abuse with safe (relatively), scientifically determined hormone replacement.
re: Human Growth HormoneJon
Oct 19, 2001 8:28 AM
The safest way to stimulate hGh release is intense exercise followed by a nap! Safe therapeutic
uses of this and other substances such as testosterone precursors probably won't be
determined for a few years yet. But very few of us probably maximize our existing potential through
lifestyle adjustment such as exercise routines, timing and content of diet, and sleep and relaxation
patterns.
re: Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 8:50 AM
As a Competitive bodybuilder for years, one of the responses was really funny. Yes, there are steroids and GH in bodybuilding, but believe me it is much worst in Cycling.
Actually, it exists in every sport. There was even a fencer in the Olympics that failed the steoid test. But, some or all of the comments were right in some degree. The Cancer link is mentioned, but there is no research that proves it. The fact that the Pituitary releases less, due to less sth releasing factor is probably correct. What I do find is that there are many products that claim to be HGH, yet they are not. Outright fraud exists. Thats why being educated about these products is good. If you do not know, ask!
re: Human Growth Hormonepeloton
Oct 19, 2001 9:20 AM
Respectfully, I would disagree about cycling being worse than bodybuilding in respect to drug usage as a whole. On the elite levels, both sports certainly have had problems. On the amatuer level though, bodybuilding takes the cake. I've seen lots of anabolics in amatuer bodybuilders and lifters in the locker rooms of many gyms. I have never seen or heard talk of obtaining an illegal supplement while on a group ride, or even at numerous cycling races. I would place good money on a study that examined a cross section of both sport's populations that the drug problem would be worse in bodybuilding.

As far as HGH supplementation goes, I think close supervision would be in order. Monitoring of the body's levels of endogenic HGH vs. what is being taken in to ensure levels don't exceed what would be considered a normal range. The thought of people self administering such a powerful hormone scares me a little, and I think people could get into trouble without close supervision. The possible benefit perhaps deserves careful examination though. My trepidation comes from thinking of the individuals with pointy noses, exaggerated jaws, and larger ears because of HGH supplementation for sport beyond what the body would produce. I would also like to see some long term studies on the effects of HGH in different populations. Interrupting the balance of the body's chemistry is something that should also be done carefully and with lots of research.

Morey- what have you seen lately about HGH supplementation? Anything new in terms of effects and possible implementations? Thanks in advance if you could steer me to any new research.
re: Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 9:55 AM
You are probably right on the amateur level. However the majority of sports the the world class level have upwards of a 90% usage. HGH is destroyed by the stomach very easily, therefore what we have is sublingual absorption. Which is a good route. However, the products are shit. Most Doctors that use HGH, have an endocrine screen and a full blood screen before they even begin the process. I have a friend that was actually turned down because his endogenous levels were normal. The product they use is injectable, costly, and has a very short half life.
re: Human Growth HormoneJohn Evans
Oct 19, 2001 9:39 AM
I read somewhere that big multi joint exercises like squats, dead lifts and power cleans helped to increase your body?s own hormone levels. Do you think this has merit? And I agree sleep is a good thing.
re: Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 9:57 AM
Any intense exercise produces high levels of growth hormone immediately after. Sleep is also very conducive to health.
re: Human Growth Hormonepeloton
Oct 19, 2001 10:28 AM
Doing multi-joint exercises like squats or dead lifts that use large groups of muscles can raise the body's own natural levels of HGH and testosterone. Your body releases the hormones to repair and rebuild the damage done by the exercise to your muscle tissue.

Jonathan Vaughters uses weight training in his program for this reason. Putting in lots and lots of miles can decrease the body's levels of testosterone over time. The strength training helps to regulate this a little, and JV says that it helps with his recover and well being during the season.

Like Jon said above. If you were to do some strength training, and then take a nap you would be doing your body a favor. You release these hormones, and then give your body a chance to use them and recuperate.
re: Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 10:35 AM
I usually shy away from recommending weight-training for two reasons:
1. My own experience - I call myself a functional cripple. My shoulder joints hurt, my knees hurt etc. If you do any sort of weight training for a living it is damaging.
2. Ego - I have seen people do some really stupid things to impress someone else. You always hear "how much do you bench". Who gives a damn.
3. Uncoached people doing exercises incorrectly. I owned a health club for over 20 years. People just do not ask, and if they do, it is to a "personal Trainer" that knows little or nothing.
However, in spite of all this, weight-training is excellent~
In a lot of ways, I agreepeloton
Oct 19, 2001 11:16 AM
I do agree with you as about being careful to reccomend weight training. Most people do have horrible form, the wrong idea, and are not doing themselves much good in the weight room. Sometimes the personal trainers are the worst ones too. Done properly though, weight training can do a lot of good though. I've recieved some injuries in sport over the years that bother me less due to focused strength training. Strength training I am also sure helped to prevent me from becoming injured in a few situations as well. Even so, you are right about telling people to go to the gym without proper knowledge. Knowledge is key to getting results and staying safe while weight training.

Small rant too!! Sometimes I would really be happier if less people lifted. I had to wait, and wait, and wait last night for these guys who seemed to think the power rack was there for doing curls (a whopping 55 lbs!) in front of the mirror. I think they were shocked when I actually used the rack to do squats instead of stare at my biceps in the mirror. Why don't guys lift with anything other than their pecs and biceps? It just amazes me that they don't see how weak and imbalanced they are. Oh well, rant over, but it really does prove your point.
In a lot of ways, I agreemorey
Oct 19, 2001 11:45 AM
iN 20+ years of owning a gym, very few people do exercises right. What is worst, they do not want advice! A good athlete, or bodybuilder, which I was always listens if he is going to win! The favorite exercises in the gym are Benchpresses and curls. I knew a guy who had 19" arms, and 18" thighs. His excuse was that when he goes to the beach he is in water up to his waist, they only see his arms. The rest of the time he wears pants. I would hate to be like that. But, weightlifting if done correctly is great!
re: Human Growth Hormonemorey
Oct 19, 2001 8:53 AM
The non-prescription type is primarily Bull!!!! You are right, we will probably be using these in the future. In fact, the male contraceptive they are working on is testosterone based.