Oct 17, 2001 9:11 AM
|Has any one ridden the new Cannondale Si Hollowgram cranks and bottom bracket? I've heard is super light and stiff but I'm concerned with being locked into their cranks. Any thoughts or opinions are welcome. |
|re: Cannondale cranks||morey|
Oct 17, 2001 9:19 AM
|I purchased a r4000si with th Hollowgram cranks. I was a little concerned about being tied into Cannondale, however they have made a convert out of me. I have read on this forum that (some) people have had problems, I personally have not experienced any. For a heavier rider, with better than average leg strength, they are really good. I still have trouble being tied to Cannondale. But, this has been said about Campy, Shimano etc.|
Oct 17, 2001 10:18 AM
|Call me skeptical, but it's hard to imagine that C'dale knows more about fabricating cranks than Shimano and Campy. I don't have direct experience with the new Hollowgram, but I have a wealth of experience with their MTB Coda crap having owned 3 C'dale MTBs. I ditch their stuff before I even ride the bike - it's nothing but trouble. Consider their motivation - it's not that Campy and Shimano stuff is somehow inferior - it's that it costs money and they give up a profit margin by not being veritcally integrated (ala the auto industry). They don't want to give any extra money (i.e. profit margin) to other companies if they don't have to, so they build their own stuff. They have enough volume to make the numbers work from a bean-counter's perspective but I've always found their housebrand stuff to be lacking - then be prepared when you have to buy replacement parts and can only replace a worn crappy chainring with a new crappy chainring. |
It's just a crank and it's not the end of the world, but I'd wait for some magazine to do some real testing on stiffness and druability. It was a pretty big shock in the MTB world when people realized they were buying all those high-zoot after market cranks only to find that the were pretty much inferior (price, weight, stiffness) to a nice Shimano unit.
Someone would have to show me some hard data before I'd buy a house brand product from Trek, C'dale or Specialized. It's all about containing cost and if that's all that matters then you're fine.
Oct 18, 2001 8:43 AM
|The German firm EFBe tested all the available cranksets on the market, and found the Cannondale Hollowgram crankset to be not only the lightest, but the stiffest and strongest, most fatigue-resistant setup available. And considering Cannondale's investment into multi-million dollar tooling and testing equipment, I would hardly call this a "cost containing" venture. Why not "contain" your comments to products you have experience with?|
|LOL! been awhile since grzy got shot down||nm|
Oct 18, 2001 8:55 AM
Oct 18, 2001 9:03 AM
|So you have a reference I could "educate" myself with. Consider that your only "experince" is reading an article - I'd like to become just as "experienced" ;-) |
Why would C'dale make the investment if they weren't going to get something (i.e. $$$) out of it? I trust you understand the concpet of vertical integration and double marginalization.
I also qualified my experince - the Coda cranks are pretty cruddy, although the "Turantula" does get some praise. I was just being skeptical and said so.
Oct 18, 2001 12:02 PM
|If somebody did something for nothing, I really would be skeptical. Sometimes these have names like Elmer Gantry etc.|
Oct 19, 2001 3:39 AM
|Grzy, your quote, "Consider that your only "experince" is reading an article - I'd like to become just as "experienced" Sorry to burst your bubble, but not only do I own this set, on my Cannondale R4000si, but I can compare this to the Campagnolo Super Record set on my Gios, or any of the other sets I have tried, while in the capacity of Mangager at several bikeshops over the last 22 years, before becoming an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. Or I can subjectively compare this with any of the bikes of friends I have ridden and USCF raced with, over the last 22 years (Cat II). 'Nuff said.|
Oct 19, 2001 3:44 AM
|As for this dumb statement, "Why would C'dale make the investment if they weren't going to get something (i.e. $$$) out of it? I trust you understand the concpet of vertical integration and double marginalization.", of course they're getting money out of it. They are a BUSINESS, FOR PROFIT. They aren't creating products for world peace. When Ford creates a new product, are you just as suspicious of their intentions? Or should they donate all proceeds to end world hunger?|| |