|Where is Spinchick today?||morey|
Oct 17, 2001 7:14 AM
|Maybe she does not like the topics today? Maybe she is out riding?|
|Same with DO(u)G. Still sleeping after his great 508???||Dave Hickey|
Oct 17, 2001 7:43 AM
|Think the 2 of them are up to something? ;-)..... nm||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 7:59 AM
|Maybe a pole is in order: What do you thing they are doing?nm||Len J|
Oct 17, 2001 8:16 AM
|Are you sure we want/dare to go there?||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 8:23 AM
|You are a braver man than I.|
|pole?! maybe a dictionary is in order.||nm|
Oct 17, 2001 8:30 AM
|fraudulent slip [sic]. ps: huh, huh, huh...you said "pole". nm||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 17, 2001 10:01 AM
|So I can't spell! Freud understated the issue! :-) nm||Len J|
Oct 17, 2001 10:08 AM
Oct 17, 2001 8:43 AM
|That's particularly funny to me. If you only know how sore and numb I am... :-)
|in my teens i'd pay good money to be sore and numb NM||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 17, 2001 10:03 AM
|You could very well surpass MB1 as||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 10:47 AM
|King of the Gutter. ;-) Now THAT's something to aspire to!|
|The King is dead, long live the King! nm||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 10:50 AM
|only a brief moment of clarity. won't happen again. nm||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 17, 2001 11:55 AM
|WHY DONT Y'ALL JUST GET A ROOM!!!!!!!!!!! nm||Harry Reems|
Oct 17, 2001 12:45 PM
|if it's grossin' ya out, don't watch. and, cover kids' eyes. nm||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 17, 2001 1:17 PM
|Quick! Call the police!||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 1:31 PM
|Somebody's holding a gun to Harry Reems' head and is FORCING him to read threads he doesn't want to! That is just not nice.|
|Harry lives in my town. Real Estate agent. Go figure. nm||Brooks|
Oct 19, 2001 4:46 PM
|Geez you guys! I leave this freakin' board for half||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 8:56 AM
|a day and suddenly I'm up to something????
But since you asked: I'm wallowing (only another 6 hours to go). Been ordered off the bike for a month. In fact, no weight-bearing exercises for that whole time. Like, what the hell else is there? Swimming (yawn) 3x a week for a month MIGHT keep me from gnawing my own leg off but I'm not SURE about that.
I realize that in the scope of things, I have it not so bad (Elefantino, RichC and Morey). But that damn seretonin depletion causes MAJOR problems around here.
|Ouch! Hate to hear that,what about a trainer (forget rollers)?||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 9:09 AM
|Is dumpster diving out too?|
|A trainer would be great except that I don't have one and||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 9:16 AM
|it doesn't look like I'll be getting one anytime soon. That said, I do have a stationary bike (whoopeee!) that I will bring down from the attic this weekend.
I will dive into any dumster that contains a decent trainer in working order.
|Geez you guys! I leave this freakin' board for half||morey|
Oct 17, 2001 9:13 AM
|Try Tai Chi, I swear it works. Don't ask me why? it just does, and it is fun! It has made a believer out of a klutz like me. I had problem with balance at first because of the PD, but it really has gotten better. I even get sore!|
|In general, slow moving exercises make me want||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 9:22 AM
|to start bouncing off the walls. I know they're beneficial and I've actually done Tai Chi before, but I have always gravitated toward more vigorous, adrenaline-raising sports.
I realize, of course, that's what got me into this mess :-).
|In general, slow moving exercises make me want||morey|
Oct 17, 2001 10:42 AM
|Sometimes it pays to slow down!|
|That's ok, the exuberance of youth is self correcting. nm||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 10:46 AM
|Tai Chi.....||Len J|
Oct 17, 2001 9:27 AM
|is incredible. I've been doing it now for about 5 years. Outside of the known benefits, I have learned how to identify which muscles I am clenching & how to relax them even while riding. It has made me much more efficient.
Glad to hear it helps with the PD, the increase in circulation Has got to be good for you too.
Oct 17, 2001 10:07 AM
|I probably would not have done Tai Chi when I was younger, I was too dumb. However, my wife convinced me to try it. I am elated by how I feel. The shoulder pain I had has been reduced, the stress levels have dropped. I sleep like a baby after Tai Chi. The balance has improved and, I even get sore, which amazed me. I would recommend it to anyone.|
|Tai Chi.....||Len J|
Oct 17, 2001 10:16 AM
|How long have you been doing it?
What form are you doing?
I found that I would plateau, and then incur some other unexpected benefit, as I did it more & more.
I started doing it because my wife was interested also. Turned out she hated it & I loved it. Before T/C I would require Cortisone shots in my shoulders at least once every 9 months for bursitis. I have not needed a shot since I started T/C. We had a 70 yr old in my original class who came in after about 3 months with a big smile on his face. When asked what he was smiling about he said: "You young people won't appreciate this but, as a result of the increase in balance and flexibility from doing this T/C, I was able to put my own underwear on for the first time in 5 years this morning."
I still (as much as I like it) can't do it as well if someone is watching. I don't know how people do it in the park. (Performance anxeity I guess).
I also would recommend it to anyone.
Oct 17, 2001 11:54 AM
|I wish I could tell you the type, but I can't. All I know is that it helps, I like it, and I still look like a "bull in a China Closet". My bursitis from my accident has almost totally gone away. My balance has improved remarkably. I was afraid to go in some stores because I was afraid I would break something. I have been doing it only 6 months.|
Oct 18, 2001 8:52 AM
|The name of the group is the Taoist Tai Chi Society. Headquarters are in Tallahassee, FL|
|What did I miss?||Rich Clark|
Oct 17, 2001 9:29 AM
|My ability to follow the traffic here is spotty. Off the bike for a month? During the most interesting part of the cycling year? Ow! What happened?
|I've been having this annoying pain in my||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 9:40 AM
|left hip, ankle and knee since September. I really laid off the miles for 3 weeks or so in late September/early October hoping that would help. It did, some. Went to my primary care doc who did some blood work (checking for Lupus, lyme and arthritis). All negative, thank goodness. Had an appt yesterday with a sports med doc (who is also a cyclist). His diagnosis: bursitis in hip, patellofemoral sydrome in knee (common in cyclists, says he), plantar facaitis (sp?) in foot. All on the same leg, if you can believe that. He might have let me stay on the bike (spinning only) if it hadn't been for the fact that my entire middle back is now in a serious spasm. Probably due to the overcompensation I've been doing while riding and walking. Pain kindof intense (and I have a very high pain tolerance) right now so I don't even feel like getting on the bike anyway.
Whine, whine, whine...I'll stop doing that soon.
|Glad I didn't read that before buying my bike. Good luck (nm)||Brian C.|
Oct 17, 2001 10:23 AM
|Are you sure it is not just sympathy pains for Dog, your way of||MB1|
Oct 17, 2001 10:35 AM
|showing him how much you admire/envy his ride in the 508.
Seriously for a moment, don't be too discouraged. It is your first season of hard riding. It is amazing how many new cyclists/runners/yoursporthere get this sort of injury. I think the reason this happens is that inexperienced atheltes are having so much fun in their new sport that they push their bodies a little too much. If I could remember that far back I know I did too.
You WILL heal, you WILL ride again and you WILL learn from this experience. Take it easy for a while.
BTW you WILL keep posting in the meantime.
|I'm pretty sure this all started during that climb||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 11:11 AM
|up Marsh Mountain in Garrett County in Sept. I hadn't been training on any hills and that was one big-ass hill for my first real climb.
After the ride that day, Hubby, Spinkid and I went for a drive and I took them over "the hill." The whole drive up my husband kept asking, "Why exactly is it you wanted to ride your bike up this thing?" I replied, "Why did the chicken cross the road?" Lesson learned: Sometimes chickens go splat...
Oct 17, 2001 11:18 AM
|For years my personal motto has been, "Anything worth doing is worth overdoing." Once you heal don't lose your daring and go for it attitude.
BTW FWIT I get a massage every 2 weeks (Miss M gets one a week) without fail. I've been doing it for several years and am convinced that is one the biggest reasons for our lack of injuries in spite of the stupid big miles we ride.
I am sure a massage would help you too, well worth the expense.
|Wow. Makes you wonder...||Rich Clark|
Oct 17, 2001 10:37 AM
|...why it's all on one side, though. Like there might be a leg-length discrepancy or some other imbalance that's overstressing that side. I know I've had to be very careful over the years to avoid various repetitive stress problems in my left leg, the one that has the reconstructed ankle, that could be caused by favoring it (or the converse).
Maybe you could mount the bike on a wall, wheels out, replace the pedals with bmx posts, and use it as an "arm bike" to build your pecs?
|I like the idea about the arm bike however,||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 11:01 AM
|my, um, pecs are not something I really want to build. Gotta be able to fit into those sports bras dontcha know :-)|
Oct 17, 2001 10:48 AM
|Did your MD give you anymore advice beyond "Stay off the bike" for the patellofemoral sydrome? I got diagnosed w/ that a few years ago and that's all they told me too. Which is of course the LAST thing you want to do. Unfortunately, it's been a recurring thing and that's all I ever hear...|
|Yeah, take drugs (Celebrex or some other NSAID) and||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 10:59 AM
|where a good, supportive knee brace. The knee brace is really helping. The drugs are helping somewhat. Hasn't really helped my back though.
He also told me it probably wasn't the number of miles I was riding but how hard I was riding, gear masher that I am (was).
|Yeah, take drugs (Celebrex or some other NSAID) and||morey|
Oct 17, 2001 11:08 AM
|Have you tried some resistance exercise. Leg Extensions, Leg Curls. Warm-up, then 3to4 sets of 8 to 12 reps. For mashers, the muscles around the joint must remain strong, otherwise the joint takes the brunt of the work. Back pain is very difficult, is it lower, middle or upper back. A good massage therapist helps.|
|I do lift weights 3x a week. Leg extensions is one of the||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 11:16 AM
|exercises I do regularly for that very reason. Leg curls I try to stay away from because of my past back problems. I do squats,lunges, adducter and abducter too (well, I did). I'm already starting to feel like a marshmallow.
I have an appt with a chiropractor Friday. Hoping that helps.
|I do lift weights 3x a week. Leg extensions is one of the||Jon|
Oct 17, 2001 7:03 PM
|Several elements have been touched on, Spinchick, that taken together will probably address |
the root (or roots) of the problem. During my injury period 10 or 12 years ago I ended up going
through an entire rebalancing, realigning process with the help of an excellent sports chiro, a
massage therapist, and some good weight training advice--all of which helped me unmask and
correct longstanding, cumulative alignment and muscular imbalance problems. My chiro told me
at the time that correcting all these things is like peeling layers of an onion. The body has a memory
of insults and injuries experienced over time and seems to present them in reverse chronological
order. My whole process took me about five years, and I thought I'd never get through it. But
I did. The upshot is that today I'm probably better aligned and balanced, and I enjoy better functional
balance than when I was a high school track athlete.
Undoubtedly the obvious cause of all these injuries is your rapid ramping up cycling miles and
intensity, but there are probably more longstanding underlying issues. BTW, I've heard many
similar anecdotal testimonials to the benefits of Tai Chi. Like Yoga, its not something to be
underestimated. Long time practitioners are usually examples of its efficacy.
|I do lift weights 3x a week. Leg extensions is one of the||morey|
Oct 18, 2001 8:55 AM
|Have you heard about "Rolfing" or its spinoffs. Read about it if you can.|
|I do lift weights 3x a week. Leg extensions is one of the||Jon|
Oct 18, 2001 9:18 AM
|Yes I have. I wish I'd known about Rolfing and other forms of bodywork then. I did discover |
Feldenkrais at about that time and took up some ski-specific routines for about three years.
It made a tremendous difference in my body awareness, balance, and co-ordination. All
of these methodologies seem to have things in common, that is they facilitate a much more
acute level of body awareness, and in the process some neurological reorganization seems
to take place. There's some interesting physiology which seems to support the Feldenkrais
method which, I think, is equally applicable to what happens in the practice of Tai Chi.
|What's wrong with swimming?||jaybird|
Oct 17, 2001 12:06 PM
|Swimming? what is wrong with that? I get a much better workout swimming than I do on the bike. After a tough swim I feel like I just got an all inclusive ass woopin not just my legs.
If you want some swimming help I can give you a few pointer to take the monotony out of it (kind of)
Hang tough spinhottie
|No wonder I can't stop coming to this board...||Spinchick|
Oct 17, 2001 12:14 PM
|Spinhottie? I think I like you.
Actually, I don't think there is anything wrong with swimming except that I don't do it exceptionally well. I can do a very clumsy backstroke and forget about freestyle, I'd drown trying to figure out how often to come up for air. I'm planning on taking lessons in January but I can't wait until then to start doing laps with a kickboard.
And I would definetely appreciate any pointers!
|Isn't it amazing??||JamesT.Kirk|
Oct 17, 2001 12:30 PM
|How easy some people make it look? I'm a water person, but I've got some friends that have swam (swum?) competatively and it's all about the technique. Guess it's kind of like a good spin. I probably get a better work out in the pool than them since ALL my muscles have to get involved... My wife and I have enlisted one of them to give us lessons this winter. We'll see how much it helped the fitness next spring I suppose! Has to be better than couch calisthenics...|| |