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More Pay-Less Ride(34 posts)

More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 4:28 AM
I have the opportunity to make more money, however it brings the price tag of added responsibility(time). I am 58, had my own business, worked my ass off. I now have a great job, 40 hours, can ride!!!!! Do I really need this? Do not really need the money. Am I stupid for turning it down?
re: More Pay-Less RideDebby
Oct 16, 2001 4:45 AM
"Am I stupid for turning it down?"

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! Sorry for shouting, but I think you've made the right decision! Last year I worked WAY too many hours. Lots of money, but not much time to ride or run (or much of anything but shower, eat and sleep). It was nice to be able to pay for a nice new Ultegra bike for less than one week's take-home pay - but I had no time to ride it! This year I was burned out from working so much last year - I took half of the summer off and still haven't returned yet. (I happen to have a job where it's doesn't jepardize anything to take time off between ' jobs' - there's been a 'boom' the last couple of years and plenty of work available, although I think things are going to slow down soon).

If you don't NEED the money, enjoy your time!

Good luck,

re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 4:51 AM
Thanks! In todays world too much emphasis is put on your job, not who you are. People always ask "what do you do?"
Personally, I do not give a damn. I want the freedom to do a little something for myself. This sounds selfish, but so be it.
re: More Pay-Less Ridelook271
Oct 16, 2001 4:56 AM
I agree. How important is more $$$ if you're not HAPPY or satisfied. Keep the good job; ride to your little heart's content.
Relax, mon!mickey-mac
Oct 16, 2001 5:04 AM
A little over two years ago, I took a lower-paying job to have more time with my family and on my bike and haven't regretted it for a second. My blood pressure has decreased, I've stopped grinding my teeth at night, my family is happier, and I'm in better shape. It's hard to beat the Monday through Friday 9 to 5 jobs.
re: More Pay-Less Ridedavidl
Oct 16, 2001 5:33 AM
I must concur. I'll be 58 in two weeks. I went through the rat race, too. My present job allows me to live my life the way I want. I'm the boss [big fish, real small pond] at a non-profit public interest law firm - 40 hours, good benefits, satisfying work etc. - The trade off of money for time is priceless to me. I could make more money elsewhere but I couldn't ride the way I like. I would not change it, myself.
re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 5:43 AM
You know how I feel. I was making a heck of a lot of money, voila, a stroke. This taught me a lesson, slow down, smell the roses. I now am happy, perfectly healthy, and I don't take my job home. I am Superintendent of Public Works for a municipality in Florida, and perfectly content. It is a job, but as jobs go, this is a good one!
re: More Pay-Less Ridedavidl
Oct 16, 2001 6:23 AM
Exactly - I try to ride about 100+ per week, and I'm also a semi-pro musician and work in 3-4 rehearsals per week and the performances that we want to book. I am getting to live out a fantasy. What would I retire to? How could I improve it? This is my "day gig", as we say, but I've got more balance in my life than I know what to do with.

I almost lost it all, too, once. You don't know what you got 'till it's gone. Now I am really grateful things worked out this way. Good to see you are enjoying life.
re: More Pay-Less RideDA
Oct 16, 2001 6:03 AM
More time to take steroids and write books about them. You never did give a title of your book- is it even true?
re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 6:15 AM
Actually wrote two:
Steroids " An Adjunctive Aid To Training" by Boyer Coe and Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D.
Steroids " A Comprehensive and Factual Account" by Ken Passariello and Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D.

Boyer Coe is a Mr. America, Mr. World, Mr. Universe and a Professional Bodybuilder.
Ken Passariello won his class in the Mr. America(twice), and Mr. Universe.
I have won numerous physique titles, and my class in the Mr. America.
As a physiologist I have done research on these products, and in fact, they may actually be used in the formation of a male contraceptive. They have always been used in senior citizens to improve libido.
re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 6:28 AM
Education beats condemnation anyday. Maybe, you should get educated. Before you tell somebody no, you better know why!
You did the right thingCartman
Oct 16, 2001 6:20 AM
In my job, the overtime can be almost unlimmited, especially in the summer. I only take what I need, and try to never work on my days off. It isn't worth it if you spend all your time at work, and it helps with job burn out not to work so much, not to mention the extra time for riding!
You did the right thingmorey
Oct 16, 2001 6:25 AM
When I had my own business I was working regularly 60-70 hrs per week, my kids grew up without me, I never saw my wife. Money seemed to be the only goal. What a waste. Now I am 58 and wondering where all the time went. That old man staring at me in the mirror is me.
re: my decisiondzrider
Oct 16, 2001 6:43 AM
It appears to me that people who need less are more likely to be satisfied with their lives than people who have more. There's always a newer or nicer house, car, bike, whatever. It never ends.
Oct 16, 2001 7:31 AM
I've got enough 'stuff' - now I want to spend my time enjoying it!
Don't do it!mr_spin
Oct 16, 2001 6:46 AM
You're 58, you've worked your ass off, and you don't not really need the money?

How I envy you. It's time to stop!

Quit the job. Ride more. If you still have time on your hands, do some volunteer work a few hours a day.
Don't do it!morey
Oct 16, 2001 6:54 AM
This is what I would like to do. My wife also agrees. Her dad worked until he was 70, then could not do everything he liked to do. Died a miserable man, but made a lot of money.
What a crock, not for me!
no, ride more, I think..dotkaye
Oct 16, 2001 8:28 AM
what's the money going to buy you ? If it's nothing that
you need, what's the point ?
I have deliberately stayed in a 40hr/week job, though I could be making way more money as a consultant. This way I get to ride a bit, see my family every day, play with my boys in the evenings.. More money would be nice, but you can't buy back these days once they're gone.
no, ride more, I think..morey
Oct 16, 2001 8:43 AM
AMEN! Wish I could do it all over. Wish I could see my kids grow up, rather than grown. What I can do is enjoy myself now!
no, ride more, I think..Jon
Oct 16, 2001 8:53 AM
I can relate to everything that's been said here. As GM of my company and working with a Pres. who continually
thwarted everything I tried to do I was one step out of the nuthouse. My wife convinced me to plan an early
retirement, at which time I changed my mindset and began to put more time/emotional emphasis into my lifestyle,
riding, etc. Ironically, at the point where I had truly mentally and emotionally checked out I was kicked into the
CEO's chair. However, I now lead,delegate, plan and ride! No amount of money could get me back onto the
win/lose, gotta-get-ahead treadmill. I'm happier than I've been in years. Quality of life, values, caring for
people have taken centre stage in my small world. And it's been cycling that's played a central role in helping
me re-centre myself. As Herbert Spencer aptly said, "In order to become fully human, one must first be a
good animal." It goes without saying, Morey, that you've made the right choices. Another favourite quote of
mine: "The end (purpose) of life is happiness", John Stuart Mill.
re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 16, 2001 8:54 AM
When I put this as a topic, I felt everyone was going to say "take the job", I felt as if everyone had gone money crazy. I am glad to hear I am not alone in the world!
My son is 31 yo, he told me he hated his job, his career path. My answer to him was a question? Why do it? It is not worth it. Thanks for all the input! Even the negative ones.
how much less money?ColnagoFE
Oct 16, 2001 9:38 AM
I mean above a certain point it just doesn't matter, but i don't think i want to go back to mcdonalds wages anytime soon. time is definately valuable though. the job i'm working now is 40 hours a week but i have to commute which makes it about a wash. sure wish i had more time. i'd definately consider a job with less pay that was closer to home so i could ride my bike like i used to.
how much less money?morey
Oct 16, 2001 9:58 AM
We are only talking about $6,000 per year, plus many associated headaches, and mucho tiempo. Commuting is a Pain. I commuted over 2 hours one-way. Yuk!
Time IS money!filtersweep
Oct 16, 2001 5:23 PM
I just scaled back by about $6000/year with my career (by turning down an opportunity at no political expense to my position), so I can relate- and senedipitously found a way to save the same amount in living expenses without much sacrafice... Having 10 extra free hours/week (ie NOT at work) is well worth the $6000/ year in my book. There is nothing worse than feeling more like an office plant than a human being- especially in summer!
"Follow your bliss" -Joseph CampbellTig
Oct 16, 2001 9:54 AM
Wise choice. Stop along the way and smell the roses.

OK, time for some quotes:
"Before all else, each of us must take a fundamental risk -to be true to ourselves." -(forgot the author)

"I shall follow my heart no matter where it leads me. For when I have forsaken it, I mearly existed and did not live." -me
Stress is Stress, Wherever It Comes FromRich Clark
Oct 16, 2001 2:50 PM
And stress is bad for you.

But you can get stressed in a variety of ways, including spending 40 hours a week doing work you hate.

Or spending 10 hours a week doing yardwork and home maintenance you could hire out if you earned more money.

Or never seeing your family because even though you love your work, it eats up too much of your time.

Or feeling guilty because you can't provide for your family in a way that satisfies you and them.

Getting balanced and centered in your life is what matters, and what constitutes that will be different for everyone. Clearly, sacrificing something you love for something you don't really care about isn't balance.

I have a job I love in a place I love to work, and a family that supports me in all that I do. Yet I managed to work myself into a heart attack in part because I allowed my perfectionism and obsession with control take over too much of my life.

I had to learn how to change. Renewing my love affair with cycling was a big part of that. Understanding myself and the things that drove me took care of most of the rest.

Interestingly, since all this happened I work fewer hours, have plenty of time to ride, spend more time with my family... and was promoted and make more money now than before. The only things that have changed are inside me.

Stress is Stress, Wherever It Comes Frommorey
Oct 17, 2001 3:23 AM
Everything is under stress, stress can be good or bad. What you are talking about is "dis"stress!!
re: More Pay-Less Ridesnapdragen
Oct 16, 2001 5:41 PM
While on vacation I took a 1 day wilderness survival course. I won't go into the details, but at one point, the guide asked us to tell each other a little bit about ourselves. I noticed everyone was defining themselves with their jobs, and thought it very sad. When it came to my turn, I said "I work as a Systems Administrator, but in my real life I'm a cyclist, kayaker, and general outdoor person. The guide looked at me and said, "you've figured it out, you work so you can play" If you don't need the money, then continue to work so you can have play time!
You said it all...UncleMoe
Oct 17, 2001 8:12 AM
Snapdragen - you have figured it out. I just finished a 625 mile charity ride over 9 days for the Arthritis Foundation. I met a lot of great people and the average age was well over 45. I was one of the youngest at 34. It was funny how most of the otehrs my age always asked, "What do you do?" I usually answered that it wasn't important and I was out to have fun and not discuss work. Some people reacted odd to that response, except the older people.

Many of them were retired. When they overheard my response they all had a reaction like, "Keep that atitude and you'll stay young like me.." and they always had huge grins. Some of these riders were 60-70 years old and riding up 1000 foot climbs in Big Sur on the PCH.

I now have a small post ride depression, but this thread says it all. Most of us dislike the fact that we have to work. But if you keep it in the right perspective, keep work as a means to an end (money to live and have fun!), then we'll be alright.
Time's like real estate....Tom C
Oct 16, 2001 8:59 PM
They ain't making any more of it. I got to quit working at 34 and am 50 now. I never regretted being the sole author of the time I have. If you don't need the money you are not stupid for turning down the job. Even if you did need the money. Money is always acquirable whereas time, well they ain't makin.....
So what is the ideal solution?C
Oct 17, 2001 6:46 AM
To not work and ride all the time. I am a college kid, I used to have normal career goals such as an immunologist. I have since found that I enjoy trainning and racing bikes. That is all I want to do, why let your career be your life if it is a generic cube farm job in front of a computer all day. So let us assume I am talented and driven enough to turn pro, and my academic interest are wide. What is my best choice in major at school? I am not a writer nor would I enjoy computer programing.

The goal is to work a few hours a week and always focus on the race season. Exercise physiology perhaps, economics? I know I must leave the engineering department because that will absolutely consume my life.

Got any ideas? other than marry rich or pick the right stocks
So what is the ideal solution?Tom C
Oct 17, 2001 7:49 AM
I can't say there is an ideal solution. Everyone wants or needs different things. I know what worked for me. Basically you treat your life like a business i.e. an enterprise with overhead. I had a summer job during college as a runner at CME and saw an opportunity to make money by staying with this company. I got a trading membership and was a nickle and dime trader for a number of years before the bust in the early 80's. I never did finish my degree but treated the situation as a too good to be true one that I never expected to last. As a consequence I socked away as much money as possible. Every week I paid myself first. I didn't own a car, I kept the studio apartment I lived in during school (low living overhead) I used a bus pass and learned to cook. I put money in an IRA as soon as they became available, maxxed my companies pension plan, put my hair in a cue, $30 haircuts were out. In short I spent nothing. When my company bellied I wasn't rich but was comfortable. When my wife and I married we lived in a small apartment until my daughter was born. I paid cash for a fixer upper in 1986 and paid cash for a Toyota Corolla in the same year. Mortgage rates were over 10% and that was the bottom of the real estate market. The house was neither glamorous or terribly well located but was in the "path of progress". I paid $65000 for it and spent another $10000 doing the necessary repairs. Do I have to go on? I followed a program of low overhead, low or no debt and tax deferral( pensions and IRA's) My way is not for everybody but I valued time, my time over the usual American Dream list of luxuries. You might go a completely different way but I do think success is predicated on managing waste. One does not really need to eat at a restaurant 3 or 4 times a week. Capiche?
So what is the ideal solution?Jon
Oct 17, 2001 8:21 AM
Just to add to the insightful commentaries here, I think there are two things for you to consider. First
you will not always be young enough and talented enough to race as a Div. 1 or 2 pro. So you need
to work out a lifestyle which will enable you to pursue your passion, as well as to prepare for the
next 60 years or so of your life. If you're bright enough to be in engineering school, then dropping out
of school and being a bike bum doesn't seem to me to be too smart an idea. Exercise physiology
is certainly an option. I know a couple of young Cat 1 racers who have gone that route. One is now
a doctoral candidate and the other is doing post-doctoral work in microbiology. But the central issue
here is that their academic interests coincide with their sporting interests. Does research and
teaching appeal to you? Then go that route. The best advice occurred in a post further up, Joseph
Campbell's famous "Follow your bliss." So choose an academic/professional option that truly
interests you. Pursue it perhaps on a part-time or scaled down basis while you race. But keep
a long term focus and perspective.
re: More Pay-Less Ridemorey
Oct 18, 2001 8:32 AM
I have a Ph.D. in Physiology, this has lead to seminars,books,teaching and business. However, you can get caught up in the money train in this route. You just cannot let money be what determines your route. One thing that I have found, is that if you like what you are doing, money follows!