|Douglas Ti Road Bike?||jd364|
Oct 13, 2001 10:46 PM
|Has anyone any information on a "Douglas Ti" road bike? I know Colorado Cyclist sells them. Cann't seem to find any kind of review or comments on it. Thanks, firstname.lastname@example.org|
|Don't do it!!!!!!! Ti SUCKS!||Largo|
Oct 13, 2001 11:06 PM
|For god sakes, don't go Ti.
You wan't bang for your buck? Get a True Temper OX ultra frame.
way stronger than the best 6/4 Ti frame, and cheaper too.
Ti sucks, i'm selling my Seven and getting a Surly.
All my books have lied to me, i'm a broken husk of a man.
i used to believe in Ti, but no longer.
Its all hype.
Down and out in Canada.
|That's a bunch of pablum||Starliner|
Oct 13, 2001 11:21 PM
|Don't listen to that advice - he's a special case. Ti has a luxury feel that is unique. The Mercedes of cyclodom. Largo drives a rusted out VW.|
|Hey, don't insult my VW!||Largo|
Oct 14, 2001 8:41 AM
|Its amazing what you'll babble on about at 1 in the morning coming home from the pub.
Now i have to go and comfort my old VW, you've hurt its feelings.
|agree for heavier riders||ColnagoFE|
Oct 15, 2001 9:57 AM
|unless you go really high end or custom with big tubes...pretty much cancelling the weight savings...and then they still compare it to high end steel as far as ride goes.|
|re: Douglas Ti Road Bike?||Nessism|
Oct 14, 2001 7:57 AM
|The Douglas frames are made by Titanium Sports, a division of Sandvik Titanium (large Ti tubing maker I think). They have made frames for many many OEM customers such as GT, Dean, Mongoose, and Diamond Back. They make a good solid frame lacking only the brand name so many look for. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one from a quality standpoint.
Check out this link, they sell frames direct for nice prices. http://www.titaniumsports.com/
Oct 14, 2001 12:17 PM
|I recently corresponded with TST regarding their double butted road framesets. They didn't have any 54cm frames with double butted tubes and they said they weren't going to make any more. |
They do have the non butted Ti frames available though. I may still buy one .... although I really wanted to get a DB tubeset.
|Butted TI is over rated||Nessism|
Oct 14, 2001 2:33 PM
|Butting is benificial to remove weight but in the process, flex is added. Since titanium is somewhat flexable to begin with, the added meat on the tubes help to shore things up somewhat. Considering on the frame weights published on the TST site (quite light), I should think that the meatier tubes would be of real benifit.
I'm also thinking of picking one of these up. Has anyone seen the mono-stay style?
|mono stay style??||JohnG|
Oct 14, 2001 2:54 PM
|I didn't see a mono stay listed last time I visited the TST website. Do you have any info on it??
I didn't figure flex would be an issue for a 54cm frame.... and I LIKE light bikes.
|mono stay style??||Nessism|
Oct 14, 2001 5:55 PM
|When you go to TST's main web page, click Titanium Bicycles, scroll down the page and click on Road Geometries. The IHSRB model is listed as being a TST design with a mono stay. Also, when you go to TST's home web page there are threee photos on the top of the page. One of thoes pages shows a guy welding a mono stay bike. I think this is the one. I'm not a fan of mono stays but I like the fact that this model has a longer top tube.
As far as weight is concern, the regular 54 cm model is listed as weighing 3.2 lbs. which is quite light for a Ti frame. Beware of Ti frames lighter than this or they are likely to be flexy. I currently have a Litespeed built Eddy Merckx EX Ti in a 54 size what weighs 3.5 lbs. The EX frame is one of the stiffer Ti frames on the market (no longer built) but compared to my Dedacciai ZeroUno steel rig, the Ti frame has a fair bit more bottom bracket sway. For me, I would much rather have a stiff frame as opposed to a light/flexy one.
|thanks for the info nm||JohnG|
Oct 14, 2001 6:22 PM
|Butted ti Flex||MikeC|
Oct 15, 2001 6:30 AM
|I think it's a little more complicated than "straight gauge is stiffer, butted is flexy." I owned a Sandvik straight gauge ti frame, and loved it dearly. However, it was quite flexy in the BB, which I attribute primarily to the skinny chainstays on my model.
On the other hand, my heavily-butted Seven has the stiffest BB I've ever ridden, including all aluminum, steel, and carbon bikes I've experienced. It also has HUGE s-bend chainstays, but only weighs 2.5 lb.
If you have two tubes of the same diameter and configuration, but one is butted, and the other is not, you can count on the straight gauge being stiffer. But once you add design and engineering variations, all bets are off.
|re: Go For It!||Gary M|
Oct 15, 2001 12:03 PM
|I bought a Douglas earlier this year and have about 1800 miles on it. So far, I love it- it is light,smooth, responsive and fast. |
The polished finish is maintenance free and the components are very good. CC did a nice job putting it all together. I haven't noticed any ti "whippiness" at all (I weigh about 175). This could be due to the "s" shaped rear stays. If you are looking for a great ride and don't mind the lack of brand name, go for it.
Oct 15, 2001 12:16 PM
|what were you riding before the Douglas?|
|important question||Gary M|
Oct 16, 2001 11:29 AM
|Fair question- a Trek 1220 (aluminum frame). If I had been on a higher end bike, my reaction to the Douglas might have been different but I have ridden other bikes since I bought the Douglas (Lemond Zurich, Eddie Merckx ti), and I think the Douglas holds its own. If you are looking for ti and don't want to spend the $$ on Litespeed, Seven etc, I don't think you would be disappointed.|| |