|tyres: innovations anyone?||radman51|
Oct 13, 2001 12:15 AM
|i'm interested in innovations. to the point. i came across the Tufo tyre web page. there are a lot of dealers across the states particularly in california. so i figured there has to be something in this tubular tyres that fit clincher rims thing. so fess up..... who has had long term riding experience with this type of tyre, what series , problems along the way, blah ,blah, and blah*******.|
|The fuel economy of a V8 and the power of a 4||Kerry Irons|
Oct 13, 2001 4:30 PM
|The Tufo system you refer to is basically a market flop, because it's a technical flop. Otherwise known as a solution looking for a problem. While they may have a long dealer list, how many of those "dealers" do you think are actually selling product? What exactly is the problem they are trying to solve? The actual on-road usage of this goofy system is virtually nil. Regular Tufo tubulars are an OK product, AFAIK, it's this ba$tard system that is worthless.|
|The fuel economy of a V8 and the power of a 4||Akirasho|
Oct 13, 2001 6:50 PM
|... I guess I disagree to a point.
Firstly, I try not to judge any idea by it's marketability... many an awesome concept was shelved and we've been left with inferior products due to such (the next generation of media burners will involve some compromize on the DVD format and the consumer will probably be left with a "good enuff" instead of "look what we can do with DVD" product).
Secondly, it's almost true that it's a solution in search of a problem... almost. Since great strides have been made in clincher technology over the past 4 years, even using traditional tubular tires has been called into question. But, most tubulars do allow for a higher inflation pressure (including the Tufo tubular clincher) that may result in lower rolling resistance and improved handling.
Lastly, and kinda going back to my first point, I like having options beyond the box so to speak. I've always tried to employ whatever bit of techno and or knowledge I can get my hands on regardless of where it originally came from or where it might be heading. It's up to the individual to modify these points for their own needs (I run a homemade light system that borrows from automotive, audio, model railroading and medical equipment... items that probably wouldn't have been listed on the same website or reference book).
Now, I'll admit that my experience with Tufo tubulars and tubular clinchers has been somewhat limited, but so far, I like 'em. I've spent much more time on Conti tubulars. They offered me an alternative that served my personal needs.
Remain In Light.
|Are we talking about the same thing?||Kerry Irons|
Oct 14, 2001 4:32 PM
|I believe the original poster was asking about the strange Tufo tubular design that is supposed to fit on a clincher rim, without glue. Not a clincher, but a tubular with a ridge molded in to grip the hook on the clincher rim. A solution looking for a problem.|
|... yup, them's the ones...||Akirasho|
Oct 14, 2001 6:27 PM
|... ease of installation of a clincher (almost) with the higher pressures of a tubular on a "standard" clincher rim.
Remain In Light.
|re: tyres: innovations anyone?||Birddog|
Oct 13, 2001 8:16 PM
|I had some of these a few years back when I was racing triathlons. The idea of a self sealing tire was appealing in a triathlon situation. I really liked the improved ride they offered (over the Conti's I had been using) and they really held in corners. The problem is/wastthat they are rather heavy. The self sealing stuff (I think it was some kind of latex) adds some pretty good weight to the tire and wheel combo. One day I was riding and I flatted and the damn thing didn't seal as designed. I could feel and hear solid stuff rolling around in the tire. After I got home, I called the importer for an explanation. They said my tires were probably old stock and the latex had dried out, no problem though, they sent me a replacement. The final straw came later in the season, when I was riding a century and one tire flatted three times and didn't seal in a timely manner. I didn't have a pump or CO2 because ,hey these things are self sealing! It was such a pain in the butt that I switched 'em out after the event and never rode them again.
Pros: They ride like a tubular (because they are a tubular).
Cons: They didn't work properly and they are heavy.
|TUFO: fact and fallacy||Rusty McNasty|
Oct 15, 2001 9:10 AM
|I have experience with tufo "true" tubulars only, so I can't say whether the clincher-tubulars are any better or worse.
Tufo makes many different models, some which are a bit heavy (and are also very durable), some which are very light. They are all of first-rate quality, though. The sealant is not required to be in the tire at all times, although I have found that it does work quite well. Many riders don't put sealant in until the tire flats. Then, they wait until they get home to use the sealant, rather than carry a tube on the road. In no circumstance should using sealant be considered sufficient enough to not carry a spare!!! That's just plain silly!!
The sealant has worked for me. I put 14 ml into my rear tire, and it has stopped leaks twice that I know of. I ride S33 specials, which are about the toughest tubular you can buy, but even those will occasionally get a sliver of glass.
I ride my tufos more than any other tire I own, and would say that they are the best all-around tubular out there. And this includes Conti Sprinters, Vitt Corsas, etc. Tufo is just simply makes more and better tubulars than anybody else.