|Who's who in the pro-racing circle?||Delia|
Oct 12, 2001 9:21 AM
|Okay so I know the names... somewhat .... and I know the teams...somewhat.... but I would really like to have a better than 'somewhat' idea of who's who in/on the pro cycling circuit. So if you guys could help me out by throwing out a top ten list of riders and a top ten list of teams (including country they're from) that would be wonderful and much appreciated.
|re: Who's who in the pro-racing circle?||raboboy|
Oct 12, 2001 9:35 AM
|read www.cyclingnews.com each day for news and you'll learn the riders & teams fairly quickly.
aslo, check this article: http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/oct01/oct02news.php
It has a recent UCI rankings chart. That will tell you the world leaders right now. :)
|how do you want it, uci ranking, popularity???||Pack Meat|
Oct 12, 2001 9:36 AM
|These are the current top 20 in the UCI ranking and therefore can be considered the top riders.
1 Erik Zabel (Ger) Team Deutsche Telekom
2 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Liquigas-Pata
3 Francesco Casagrande (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
4 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal Service
5 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Lampre-Daikin
6 Oscar Sevilla Ribera (Spa) Kelme-Costa Blanca
6 Romans Vainsteins (Lat) Domo-Farm Frites
8 Erik Dekker (Ned) Rabobank
9 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank
10 Paolo Bettini (Ita) Mapei-Quick Step
11 Jan Ullrich (Ger) Team Deutsche Telekom
12 Dario Frigo (Ita)
13 Raimondas Rumsas (Ltu) Fassa Bortolo
14 Jens Voigt (Ger) Credit Agricole
15 Joseba Beloki Dorronsoro (Spa) O.N.C.E.-Eroski
16 Serhiy Honchar (Ukr) Liquigas-Pata
17 Jaan Kirsipuu (Est) Ag2R Prevoyance
18 Andrei Tchmil (Bel) Lotto-Adecco
19 Michele Bartoli (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
20 Laurent Jalabert (Fra) CSC Tiscali
1 Fassa Bortolo 7,520.00 pts
2 Team Deutsche Telekom 7,007.00
3 Rabobank 6,712.00
4 Mapei-Quick Step 6,319.00
5 Lotto-Adecco 6,124.00
6 iBanesto.com 5,928.00
7 US Postal Service 5,912.00
8 O.N.C.E.-Eroski 5,871.00
9 Cofidis 5,838.20
10 Domo-Farm Frites 5,151.00
11 Lampre-Daikin 5,007.00
12 Liquigas-Pata 4,717.00
13 Festina 4,649.00
14 Kelme-Costa Blanca 4,399.00
15 CSC Tiscali 4,174.00
16 Euskaltel-Euskadi 4,163.00
17 Tacconi Sport-Vini Caldirola 4,003.00
18 Saeco Macchine Per Caffe' 3,711.00
19 Mercury 3,582.00
20 Credit Agricole 3,187.00
21 Team Coast 2,407.00
22 Mercatone Uno-Stream TV 1,693.00
|Frigo is still ranked? So much for the anti-drug movement. nm||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 9:43 AM
|UCI simply adds up points from prior calendar year. nm||Jack S|
Oct 12, 2001 9:54 AM
|Then they are not doing enough to stop drugs are they?||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 10:19 AM
|Pass the EPO.|
|Then they are not doing enough to stop drugs are they?||morey|
Oct 12, 2001 11:50 AM
|To compete @ the World Class level over 90% in most sports use drugs. Cycling is one of the worst. I have written a book on Steroids & Ergogenic Aids, I know these drugs, I have used them in my career (not proud), and they work. Yes, women do take them, and actually by ratio can actually cheat more effectively. However, I want to tell you they are only about 1-2% effective in improvement. But, this can be the difference in a world class athlete between winning and losing. Tie money, big money to this formula - you have drug use. It is difficult to stop because drug tests are so expensive, that good chemists/Drs. can stay ahead of the game. Fortunately, there are drug free athletes, and they do win!|
|what do you want||DA|
Oct 12, 2001 11:52 AM
|A "death penalty" or lifetime ban? The guy was fired and suspended. He can't earn more points and day by day is losing those he acquired. His ranking is dropping fast and he becomes less desirable from both drugs and UCI points perspectives. Even baseball and football give guys second, third, fourth chances for drugs that are actually illegal (not to mention other illegal activities like murder). Look a Virenque, he is now one of the favorites for the Worlds. Frigo is still probably a better rider than many in the pro peloton and deserves to be ranked based on past performances. Think of it as a QB that throws 30 TD passes in the first 3 games. If he gets hurt/retires/is arrested for drugs his 30 TDs will probably still leave him "ranked" at the end of the season.|
|what do you want||morey|
Oct 12, 2001 12:01 PM
|Actually, I do not know how I feel. As a competing athlete, I was obsessive and compulsive. I would do anything to win. Death did not enter the picture. Also, I had a vast knowledge of these products, I felt I knew better than most. Now, that I am older, I still have the desire to win, however death is now more imminent. Now I worry!|
|okay||Woof the dog|
Oct 13, 2001 12:30 AM
|haven't read the rest of the thread, but since you claim to know a lot, tell me what is(are) the name(s) of the books you've written, I may read them. And do not lie about your identity please, it ain't cool.
Oct 17, 2001 5:18 AM
|The one on sale now is called "Nutrifitness" by Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D. My real name!!!! It can be found on www.nutrifitness.org.
I have had a number of books out, however most are out of print.
Steroids "An Adjunctive Aid To Training" by Boyer Coe and Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D.
Steroids "A Comprehensive and Factual Report" by Ken Passariello and Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D.
Optimal Nutrition by Boyer Coe and Stanley W. Morey, Ph.D.
My email is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Maybe you can find some of these books. It is always wise to get educated.
|Those halcyon days of my youth. Athletes were still heroic.||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 12:03 PM
|Not regular human beings like you and me and politicians were still statesmen. ;-)|
|Also, they were older than me! I really miss that! nm||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 12:04 PM
|Then they are not doing enough to stop drugs are they?||morey|
Oct 12, 2001 11:55 AM
|A question has been asked at every Olympics, " If you could take something that would guarantee a Gold medal, the downside being that you would die in 5 years, would you do it" The overwhelming response was "yes". Usually these are youn athletes that death does not appear imminent, and you have the lure of money. Maybe, that is the reason!|
|what is goin on here??? morey = MB1???||DA|
Oct 12, 2001 12:07 PM
|I don't think so. I'm 5'10" 145 lbs soppin wet. nm||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 12:10 PM
Oct 12, 2001 1:17 PM
|MB1's e-mail accent is Sean Connery. Morey's is vaguely Austrian.|
|Oh I like you! nm||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 2:00 PM
|So Morey, do you think there are some really bad long term||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 12:12 PM
|effects of those drugs? If you don't mind sharing I'd like to know what you think they are?|
|So Morey, do you think there are some really bad long term||morey|
Oct 15, 2001 3:14 AM
|Coronary Heart Disease
Altered Immune system (lower)
Lower hormone levels
Possibility of initiating dormant Cancer cells
|The drug problem goes far up the heirarchy||peloton|
Oct 13, 2001 7:02 AM
|Drugs go a lot higher up than just the athletes. The stuff that is in a lot of sports isn't found on your street corner. One of the drugs that Frigo had in his cahce was a cancer drug still in very early stages of testing, and only produced in very small quantities in only a couple of places in the world. There had to be someone on the inside getting this drug out to him. Look at other sports too. Major League baseball has an agreement with the player's association to not test for any performance enhancing substance. Carte blanch to do as you wish. Not to mention all the drugs that can easily make it through testing- synacten immediate, Winstol, clenbuterol, hemopure, and others that show up every single day. Thing is though, that there are people and groups that are making these drugs availible to athletes, and are looking the other way. I actually think very highly of cycling because at least the UCI is trying to do something about it.
We're all guilty too. Tired? Need to go faster? Just go to the health food store, and get a 'supplement'. Our society has made it acceptable to use drugs to perform. It really saddens and sickens me what I have seen with drug use in sport. To stop it though, we not only need to make pariahs out of the drug users, but we need to get those who supply the drugs, and change our attitudes of what is accpetable behavior.
|surf away||Jack S|
Oct 12, 2001 9:53 AM
but this is what you want, right?
|re: Who's who in the pro-racing circle?||harlett|
Oct 12, 2001 10:25 AM
|delia...now i'm sure you meant the womens pros too!!!!.*S* |
in the womens 2001 world championships, going on now in lisbon portugal, the results of the recent time trials were
1st - Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (Fra) in 29 min 8.55 sec (39.53 km/h);
2nd -Nicole Brändli (Swi) at 0.41 sec;
3rd - Teodora Ruano Sanchon (Spa) at 44.61;
4th - Rasa Polikeviciute (Ltu) at 46.94;
5th - Judith Arndt (Ger) at 55.07;
6th - Mari Holden (USA) at 1.26.00;
7th - Anna Millward (Aus) at 1.26.67;
8th - Mirjam Melchers (Ned) at 1.32.52;
9th - Diana Ziliute(Ltu) at 1.32.79;
10th - Priska Doppmann (Swi) at 1.40.71.
the womens road race takes place tomorrow
the UCI points list (road) as of two days ago
1st Zinaida Stagourskaia (Blr)
2nd Anna Millward (Aus)
3rd Mirjam Melchers (Ned)
4th Judith Arndt (Ger)
5th Nicole Brandli (Swi)
6th Susanne Ljungskog (Swe)
7th Petra Rossner (Ger)
8th Fabiana Luperini (Ita)
9th Edita Pucinskaite (Lit)
10th Lyne Bessette (Can)
|Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli won the TT? No suprise!||Tig|
Oct 12, 2001 10:32 AM
|She is still going strong as ever. She has never ceased to amaze me. Compared to the top men of all time, she has lapped them all on wins!|
|Will that be shown on OLN? nm||Spinchick|
Oct 12, 2001 10:34 AM
|If you ever get a chance to see Pro Women race live, do so!||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 10:38 AM
|Wow they are fast. In the US we have a much better chance to see world class pro women race then we do the top pro men.
One more thing, the ladies don't seem to have as many drug problems as the men. Whatever the reason may be.
|women do drugs||Jack S|
Oct 12, 2001 10:44 AM
|Recall the Giro this year. And Fabiana Luperini a couple of years back.
Pass the EPO.
|don't forget that skanky ....||lonefrontranger|
Oct 12, 2001 10:49 AM
|no-class cheap Italian trailer trash Paola Pezzo. Man she gets my goat. Tested positive 3 times, still racing. Her forehead looks like a Neanderthal's from the steroids and she's lost most of her famous cleavage. Definitely the Tonya Harding of cycling.|
|Now don't hold back, how do you really feel? ;-)||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 10:56 AM
|Miss me with them drugs. The older I get the happier I am that I missed all that.
It is always sad to see a retired athlete die young and hear the whole family say Oh no, "Your Name Here" never did drugs!
|Could it be you hate her because......||JS|
Oct 12, 2001 10:58 AM
|she flaunts her feminity and you feel that is a detrimint to the advancement of female atheletics. Or are you just jealous because so many men fawn over her? Sounds like a bit of both. Also, she tested positive for Nandrolone ONCE and it didn't stick.|
|actually she retired....||Jack S|
Oct 12, 2001 11:04 AM
|after the Olympics or maybe it was early this year. Having met her, I believe that a good bit of her apparent trashiness is simply marketing hype (some blame certainly lies with Fisher, Castelli, maybe even the Italian federation), kinda like Cipollini. You gotta admit she has quite impressive Palmares- of course who knows what were won clean or not. Also, I don't think she ever hired anyone to bash in the knees of her rivals.|
|I wanna picture...nm||javagenki|
Oct 12, 2001 11:11 AM
|you got it||DA|
Oct 12, 2001 12:19 PM
|No ego problem there! LOL. nm||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 12:28 PM
|Don'tcha just love the cotton-candy pink Gary Fisher mtb?||Spinchick|
Oct 14, 2001 1:15 PM
|Don'tcha just love the cotton-candy pink Gary Fisher mtb?||SIKE|
Oct 15, 2001 5:05 AM
|Do you think that was HER idea or FISHER? What about the gold shorts and shoes?
BTW, just about every pro has their own website, especially when they are retired and relying on modeling etc. for income.
Oct 12, 2001 11:12 AM
|Everything you need is there. Teams, riders, bios, rankings, victories, etc.|
|THANKS TO ALL||Delia|
Oct 12, 2001 1:12 PM
I've been following the links all of you sent and have been having a great time learning about all these great cyclists (female and male)!
I like this messageboard :) you guys teach me so much.