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Forget the Campy Carbon cranks for x-mas, I want this...(21 posts)

Forget the Campy Carbon cranks for x-mas, I want this...Cima Coppi
Oct 12, 2001 6:34 AM
Sorry, I thought the image would come through (nm)Cima Coppi
Oct 12, 2001 6:39 AM
I'll get that for you.OK
Oct 12, 2001 6:39 AM
A big fat nothing.
Let's try this...Sorry for the confusion!!Cima Coppi
Oct 12, 2001 6:42 AM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2001/oct01/worlds3/FSjanbike.shtml

CC
Let's try this...Sorry for the confusion!!TJeanloz
Oct 12, 2001 6:47 AM
Gita (Pinarello's US distributer) claims that you can actually get these.

Retail price for frame/fork/HS/Seatpost? A cool $10,000.

Add another ~$1500 for the disc wheel, $500 for the front wheel, ~$2000 for the parts kit, and $500 for the aerobars= $14,500.
Now you tell memuncher
Oct 12, 2001 6:50 AM
There was a guy chucking one of those in a skip down the road yesterday...if only..
It's not about the bike.nm
Oct 12, 2001 6:56 AM
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Yeah, but this bike wouldn't hurt! nmDCP
Oct 12, 2001 10:06 AM
See how low that stem is, it would hurt a lot! nmMB1
Oct 12, 2001 10:44 AM
Looks almost as sleek as a ...cyclinseth
Oct 12, 2001 8:12 AM
Kestrel KM40. What material is it made out of?
re: Forget the Campy Carbon cranks for x-mas, I want this...morey
Oct 12, 2001 7:00 AM
Wow! How fast is it going standing still? This is one hell of a beautiful bike. It needs to be on display!!
two things strike me as odd...Matt
Oct 12, 2001 8:00 AM
The first and most noticalbe thing is...Where are the carbon cranks. If they are so holy and almighty, you would think the world champion would don them on his bike. Obviously with a $14,000 rig, a $700 pair of cranks aren't going to break the bank.

Seconly...I seriously doubt you can get that seatpost with that frame. That looks to be a #5 or #6 Mike Burrows seatpost. Unless Pinarello has struck up a deal with Giant(which I seriously doubt), that is a Jan Ulrich add on. Mike Burrows sells those posts through Giant only. In fact the only place you can get them is in the Giant small parts catalouge.

Also...I thought the UCI had put a ban on bikes over a certain value. Their point was to do away with this exact thing($14,000 bikes consumers couldn't afford).
two things strike me as odd...TJeanloz
Oct 12, 2001 8:19 AM
As for the carbon cranks, most riders don't want to test new equipment at the World Championships- it's a place for tried-and-true stuff. Plus, from pictures I've seen, the old style crank appears slightly more lo-pro.

The seatpost does look like a Mike Burrows one- and it may be. According to the price sheet I have, the frame comes with fork, headset and seatpost.

There is no UCI ban on $ value, just weight. They banned non-double diamond bikes to stop 'project' bikes, like USA Cycling's Project '96 GT's, which cost a lot more if you factored in R&D. However, the ban really just inspired more research into lo-pro double diamond designs. The UCI doesn't really care what consumers can afford, they're concerned about athletes from poor countries not being on a level playing field (re: equipment) at the World Championships and Olympics.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, LA's TT bike cost nearly the same.Cima Coppi
Oct 12, 2001 8:28 AM
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, LA's TT bike cost nearly the same.yeah right
Oct 12, 2001 10:49 AM
nope, i think the frameset is about half that of the pinarello
3,500$ for framesetcyclopathic
Oct 12, 2001 11:45 AM
as I recall I sould check with dealer
two things strike me as odd...CT1 Guy
Oct 14, 2001 7:37 AM
Ullrich rides a 177.5mm minimum crank - not yet available in carbon....
re: Forget the Campy Carbon cranks for x-mas, I want this...DINOSAUR
Oct 12, 2001 8:10 AM
Wow, Nice ride! I'm afraid I'd be road chum for every roadie within a 100 mile square area. I'd settle for a Prince though...
Ulrich's hand position?????????????Woof the dog
Oct 13, 2001 12:02 AM
Whats up with that? I was told on bicyclesports.com, at: http://www.bicyclesports.com/technical/positioning/fitessentials.html
that hands should be higher than the elbow bend. Just look at the pic for yourself, kids.

Ulrich's hands are pointing down a funky way. I bet they did all the fancy airdynamic tests and came up with this solution. Whachya thinkin'?
This is a real problem...TJeanloz
Oct 13, 2001 1:21 PM
The work that John Cobb has done and the results that he has given have been of great benefit to the bicycle racing community. However, we must realize that Mr. Cobb writes in the general terms, not in specifics. He is essentially saying that if you don't have the resources to go to the wind tunnel, here are the median best performing positions. He isn't saying "this is the fastest position" or "these are the fastest wheels"; he is saying that "most people, in most conditions will do better with this position or these wheels".

Another example of this is Aero helmets. Mr. Cobb has led us to believe that Aero helmets are faster than no helmet at all. Yet Ullrich doesn't wear one. It turns out that Ullrich bobs his head so much that he is less efficient with an aero helmet than with just a cap or no headwear at all.

Ullrich has spent more hours in the wind tunnel than just about anybody- and as a result has, for his body, the best possible position. It would surprise me if anybody went into the wind tunnel and came out with exactly the same position that Cobb recommended as a generalized average.
yeah, thats what i figured.nmWoof the dog
Oct 13, 2001 8:29 PM
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