|WHOO HOO!! Ullrich wins the Worlds ITT Gold!||Cima Coppi|
Oct 11, 2001 7:54 AM
|JU overcame a 10 second deficit to David Millar with 6km to race, and beat him by 6 seconds. This is too good!!
Also, Vuelta sensation Levi L. placed 4th, 25 seconds behind Ullrich. Great for Levi!! He'll be back with a vengence next year.
|re: WHOO HOO!! Ullrich wins the Worlds ITT Gold!||Vortex|
Oct 11, 2001 8:08 AM
|Ullrich is wonderful!!!!!|
|Isn't it kind of funny...||mr_spin|
Oct 11, 2001 8:26 AM
|...that this is the only ITT he has won all year?|
|Gee, who wasn't there? Let me see..... nm||MB1|
Oct 11, 2001 8:28 AM
Oct 11, 2001 8:37 AM
|What's your point? If he was there he would have won? Give me a break! |
Two words - 2000 Sydney Olympics
|I think that is 3 words but I grant your point. nm||MB1|
Oct 11, 2001 8:41 AM
|two more words||yeah right|
Oct 11, 2001 9:32 AM
Not that I'm saying Lance would have won anyway, but it would have been a little more interesting if he had been in top form.
Man, Millar looked devistated after coming so close today. He's young, and he'll be back. Good showing by Levi as well, think he will stay with postal?
|two more words||raboboy|
Oct 11, 2001 11:05 AM
|Actually, according to cycling news, looks like Levi is going to sign with Rabobank.|
|Isn't that what everyone said at the '99 Tour?||mickey-mac|
Oct 12, 2001 4:37 AM
|As we all recall from the '99 Tour, everyone affiliated with Armstrong was annoyed by constant references to the claim that his win was somewhat tarnished because Ullrich and Pantani didn't compete. My guess is that Armstrong would find statements like yours to be unfair when directed at Ullrich's ITT win.|
|Oh I agree and it ain't the winners fault. Ullrich beat everyone||MB1|
Oct 12, 2001 4:57 AM
|that raced. You can't ask any more of anyone than that. As others have pointed out the pro cycling season has gotten very long and the Worlds are somewhat diluted as the sport has gotten more popular. Last year was even worse, there were Olympics and Worlds, awful tough for the riders.
The same thing can be seen in golf. Tiger Woods wins a lot but doesn't play in even half of the events-he is so big it dilutes the events he misses. In golf the players seem to agree on what the important events are (ie. the "Majors") and all the best try to show up and compete. I don't think that has quite happened in cycling.
|His second world TT title, how many has big Tex won again?||JS|
Oct 11, 2001 8:59 AM
|Your showing your American cycling knowledge by believing that the Tour De France is the only race that matters.......It isn't. In fact more and more true fans are getting a bit tired of mister one month a year. Granted when Tex peaks for that month he rocks but jeez, why even bother with regular seasons in baseball, football,basketball or hockey and skip right to the playoffs, that's essentially what Lance does because that's all the American media cares about. He could have taken a couple weeks off after the tour and come back for a late season charge at the worlds but no, he 's made his cash for the season it's time to take a 6 month vacation. Also, Ullrich beat Tex in the TT and RR last year at the Olympics.|
|His second world TT title, how many has big Tex won again?||Mike Seeley|
Oct 11, 2001 10:10 AM
|"...why even bother with regular seasons in baseball, football,basketball or hockey and skip right to the playoffs, that's essentially what Lance does because that's all the American media cares about."
With this analogy, aren't you admitting that ultimately, all other races are just regular season races compared to the Tour?
|Head to head who has won more often?||MB1|
Oct 11, 2001 11:17 AM
|I think this whole discussion is somewhat meaningless. I mean we are discussing the 2 riders who are generally considered the very best currently racing.
It sure is fun though.
|His second world TT title, how many has big Tex won again?||novagator|
Oct 11, 2001 12:24 PM
|Armstrong does what he is paid to do - win the Tour. Oh by the way, a second in a Classic (Amstel Gold) and winning the Tour de Suisse is nothing to sneeze at either - it's a lot more than most other riders. By the way, isn't he in the top 5 in UCI points? Also not to shabby. I don't think that there are that many cyclist who train as hard as he does or who are as disciplined and focused as he is - Jan is a great cyclist, Lance is better. |
Has Jan ever won the Rainbow jersey in the Road Race? I don't believe he has.
Oct 12, 2001 4:22 AM
|I think it is a tad presumptious to refer to Armstrong's off season as a vacation. He is arguably the most disciplined off season cyclist out there. Can't we all agree that it would have been a good ITT if more heavy hitters were present, but that doesn't take anything away from Ulrich?|
|re: WHOO HOO!! Ullrich wins the Worlds ITT Gold!||Indiana Rider|
Oct 11, 2001 8:41 AM
|It's impossible to stay at peak performance all year.. theriders have to pick the races they wish to peak and train accordingly. At least that is what I have read.|
Oct 11, 2001 9:14 AM
|Not to bad mouth my man Lance, but good job Ullrich..you hammer! Props to the German of Steel.|
|Hats off (or helmets?) to Jan||Tig|
Oct 11, 2001 9:22 AM
|He may not be one of my favorite riders, but I sure as hell respect him. He has shown his greatness yet again. Although he doesn't show it on the outside, I think he puts his heart into it more than any other current rider.
Lance? I love the guy, but I'd enjoy his Tour wins much more if he rode a full season like those he competes against. Even if he wins 5+ Tours, he will never be on quite the same level as the other greats like Merckx due to this limited race seasons and narrow focus. All the same, he can kick my butt on my best and his worst day!
|does young LEVI really need an aero helmet??????||dupe|
Oct 11, 2001 10:14 AM
|from what litle ive seen (conspicuos perhaps) Levi seems to be playing with a bit of natural aerodynamics.
could this be the next big breakthrough in aero design scince booties and legshaving. or could rumors of him leading the assault with the new team Rogaine be true.
the mind boggles!
|Which would you rather have Yellow or Rainbow?||MB1|
Oct 11, 2001 9:37 AM
|Is there anyone currently racing that has won both as a pro other Jan and Lance?|
|The UCI doesn't want you to have both||mr_spin|
Oct 11, 2001 10:03 AM
|There are a couple of former world champions still racing who have borrowed the yellow jersey for a few days, but Lance is the only one still racing who has won the whole thing. You really have to go back a few years.
If anything, that says a lot about how the world's have changed since they moved it to October. That tired old argument about how Lance will never compare to whatever great rider who rides "the whole season" always neglects to mention that the season of old was much shorter than it is today, and things were in a different order.
The Vuelta was in May, not August. The World's used to be in August, so you could carry over your Tour peak. As a result, the Vuelta has gotten much better, and the World's gets a weaker field ever year.
|Athletes in many sports peak for...||Brooks|
Oct 11, 2001 11:40 AM
|different events during the same year (nationals and worlds). A cyclist can certainly train for the Spring Classics, refocus for the TdF (skipping the Giro, maybe warmup with the Tour de Suisse), relax and regroup for the Worlds ten weeks later (skipping or working for a team-mate in the Vuelta).|
Oct 12, 2001 5:06 AM
|That tired old argument isn't tired at all. The season today is no longer than before. To quote Harry van den Bremt a Belgian scribe:
"Merckx started on the first day of January in six-day races, two weeks later he made a cyclocross and then he started his preparation for the road season. He was on top level for twelve months of the year."
That's why Armstrong could never be compared with Merckx.
|Lemond was the last...||Cima Coppi|
Oct 11, 2001 10:04 AM
|World Champion to win the TdF (89-90). I'm sure there has been a World Champion who has worn the Maillot Jaune, but not outright won the TdF as World Champ since Lemond did it. Before Lemond, it was Roche who won the TdF and the World Road Race Champ. the same year.
The World Championships eluded Indurain, who once placed second in the road race.
Oct 11, 2001 10:06 AM
|I meant to say Lemond was the last rider to win the TdF and the Worlds in the SAME season. Of course, the following season (1990) Lemond won the TdF as World Champion.
|Ullrich and the Training Cycle||Jon|
Oct 11, 2001 12:19 PM
|If Jan ever gets his training template refined and timed to the degree Lance has his I think Lance will |
be in serious trouble on the TdF. In fact Chris Carmichael has said as much. It just seems to take
Ullrich much longer to come into his peak form, but when he's there he's every bit Armstrong's equal,
and in terms of absolute power possibly better. I'd love to see the two head to head in a grand tour when
they were both at the top of their game. Although I'm a rabid Lance fan, I don't think Ullrich has
quite gotten the respect he deserves---except perhaps from The Man himself.
|Ullrich and the Training Cycle||mr_spin|
Oct 11, 2001 1:21 PM
|I'm not going to disagree with you, but I think this year you saw both at the top of their game. It's hard to imagine either one going any harder. No one could touch Armstrong, but Ullrich was absolutely dominating in second place. If Armstrong were not there, we would be astounded at Ullrich's performance and probably still talking about it today. He is one hell of an awesome rider, especially in the second half of the season. The RR title is his to give away.|
|Ullrich is a great rider. He deserves praise, not cr*p (nm)||Elefantino|
Oct 11, 2001 3:32 PM