Oct 9, 2001 7:02 PM
|The "ugly car" thread started lamely, then it exploded! I like it! Nova argues his points well, and Doug puts up a good defense. I'd like to say that I'm happy both of them are contributors to this site. Things however are getting a bit personal, so I hope both can soon come to a truce before one or the other vows to exit this forum for good. Because I like them both for what they have brought here. Doug, for everything he has said he brings. The experience, the knowledge, the reason. Nova, for trying to keep Doug from taking control of this site. For his passion for his point of view. I like passion. Nova, don't hold it in - it sounds like maybe you might do that, just from the power of your posts with Dog and because I don't remember your name too often before.
I reaally like to people watch, which is kind of what I do here anyway. So this is just to try to soften something I had a little responsibility in starting with my flippant "Osama" reply to I Love Shimano. By the way, ILS, please don't take my words to you personally, for I don't know you well enough to judge you. I just tried to make a comment about a comment, not you personally.
|re: Yikes!||I Love Shimano|
Oct 9, 2001 7:14 PM
Doug and Nova's debate was a good read too. Adds some spice to my usuallt boring day at the office. I think Nova went a bit overboard by personally attacking Doug though....
Oct 9, 2001 10:22 PM
|as a watcher how do you all do what you do? lets stir the pot
dog/doug is a mileage junky, but at what cost. and not the alpa
Me.org..mrcello..mb1..dino..cima..humma..nestori..your basic plablum.
spinchik..kristin..harlet..delia..a diffrent slant but still just veggies in a weak broth
bring back trollman!! LOL
someone please stir up the pot!!!
|Bring back Trollman?||I Love Shimano|
Oct 10, 2001 12:18 AM
|I think Doug Sloan is a schizo, and Trollman is his alter ego. If you want to bring back Trollman, go ask Doug. Hehe|
|It's Pablum not Plablum and...||MrCelloBoy|
Oct 10, 2001 7:00 AM
|you can kiss my ass!
If you knew me you'd know I'm not bland.
I ride a fixed gear and tandem for frigginsakes.
|Sorry fellas, it is "pabulum".||Mr. Webster|
Oct 10, 2001 8:52 AM
Oct 10, 2001 7:07 AM
|Is that Pablum such as cereral for infants? Or Pabulum such as something that nourishes an animal or vegetable organism?
I couldn't find "Plablum" in my dictionary. I guess if I'm going to be stirred I'd like to know what I am.
Oct 10, 2001 7:13 AM
|its Pablum as in cereal. Bland, tasteless mush. So I take offense!
There once was a cyclist named 'boy',
who had more than one kind of toy.
He rode many a steep hill,
and n'er took a spill,
And lives on and kicks butt like Rob Roy.
Oct 10, 2001 7:33 AM
|I wouldn't take offense. Obviously someone is attempting to stir the pot.
I like your poem, however I took the spill and lived to cycle on into the wastelands of pablum. I guess if I was plablum I'd be Quaker Old Fashioned Oats.
|Mmmmm... troll soup. Goes great with marshmallows on||Spinchick|
Oct 10, 2001 7:22 AM
|white bread. Same mushy taste and it causes decay. Best not to even take the first bite.|
|Core***Too weak of a flame under the pot!!||velogrrl|
Oct 10, 2001 11:11 AM
Oct 9, 2001 8:04 PM
|I missed that thread, perhaps because the "Ugly Car" title did not stir my interest. I just browsed through all the posts. I wish I had that much energy, I would be riding double centuries. I enjoy a good argument, but personal attacks are not warranted. This looks like the forum of old. God bless mom and apple pie, we should be grateful that we can say what we think. Whoops, I can say "God" can't I? Think God would drive an SUV? Nah, if you can walk on water you don't need to worry about driving... Looks like winter is upon us, I can tell folks are getting edgy already...|
|glad I stayed out of that one ...||tarwheel|
Oct 10, 2001 5:03 AM
|I'm all for a little spice on the board, but I stay away from the personal attacks. There's enough of that in the world already. There are some very legitimate arguments against SUVs, but some people have a real need for them. What's worse -- one person driving a Civic, or someone driving an SUV with a carload of people? Some people need trucks and SUVs for their jobs. |
Unfortunately, some folks can't seem to post their opinions without attacking others with different views. I believe I could write a well-reasoned message listing all of the detriments of driving SUVs without attacking anyone personally for driving one. By attacking others, all you do is deflate your own arguments. Most people are not going to listen to someone who is calling them names, regardless of the merit of their arguments. That's why I won't listen to Rush Limbaugh or any other talk show airbags.
|debates and the ultimate insult||Dog|
Oct 10, 2001 5:54 AM
|Good debate is wonderful. That's how we get closer to the truth. Heck, I've been wrong thousands of times and been turned around by a good debate. Usually, in any debate, both sides will have some good points, and neither one is all right or all wrong.
But, saying I'm not a "cyclist," that's going too far. :-)
I've disengaged from the debate. Too preoccupied this week getting ready for a "cycling" event.
|At least you weren't called a vegetable.||Spinchick|
Oct 10, 2001 6:02 AM
|I draw the line at being called a carrot. I want to be the okra or I'm not playing anymore!|
|I like to think of myself as a hot, fresh & spicy salsa! nm||MB1|
Oct 10, 2001 6:17 AM
|uh-oh. you=salsa, consider myself entire meal. here's what...||Js Haiku Shop|
Oct 10, 2001 6:27 AM
lowfat wheat bun
santa fe gardenburger
chipotle salsa mixed with tobasco
honey grey poupon
on the side:
herb angel-hair pasta in cream sauce
steamed broccoli and brussels sprouts
fresh squeezed lemonade with too much sugar
|You hotdog, you! nm||MB1|
Oct 10, 2001 6:36 AM
|'scuse me...||Cliff Oates|
Oct 10, 2001 6:53 AM
|whilst I hurl.|
|Unfortunatly, some people.......||Len J|
Oct 10, 2001 6:02 AM
|are not interested in a discussion. They see the world as black & white & therefor can't make room for another point of view.
There are two ways to debate an issue, Take a position & refuse to acknowledge any other position, in which case you cannot learn, or take a position in order to challange your own assumptions for the purpose of gaining additional clarity, in which case you & the person you are debating with both can learn something. There are three sides to every argument (IMO) yours, mine & the truth. It is only in understanding the view of the truth from your argument & mine that I get a view of what the truth really is.
I won't debate someone who obviously has already made up thier mind, why bother? I will listen to them (or in the case of this board, read them) in order to think thru a different view and maybe (or maybe not) learn something, but I won't waste my energy trying to convince someone who is not open to any other view. Most times these people degenerate into personal attacks on anyone who doesn't conform to thier view. It always becomes divisive.
It's all about choice & whos mud you choose to get into.
My take on the ugly car debate.
Oct 10, 2001 10:46 AM
|It is human nature to demonize those with opposing viewpoints, and I'm no exception. Suddenly those with opposing viewpoints become the poster child for attitudes and beliefs that we despise. But that is gross overgeneralization, and it doesn't lend itself to a valid debate.
When a heated debate arises here, members of this board in particular (I've been reading and posting here for over a year) seems to lean toward an argument that goes like this: "If you disagree with me, then it is likely that you don't have as much money and/or an education that puts you in the same leauge as me. I guess that goes back to the 'demonizing' observation above.
The bottom line is the more you know about someone, the easier it becomes to argue with them. No one here really knows each other, with the exception of Dog because he posts so often and reveals a lot about himself. I used that knowledge yesterday to needle him, and for that I apologize.
I was going to close by saying "Peace", but we certainly don't have that in the world or even this country, and I've resolved to keep that in mind going forward. We need to get on with our lives, but we should be mindful of how our lifestyles affect our futures. Collectively, it all adds up. And that is why I was so adamant yesterday about my position.