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Gunnar and other 853 frames?(6 posts)

Gunnar and other 853 frames?DAS
Oct 9, 2001 7:52 AM
Does anyone have a Gunnar Roadies? Any feedback? They have Reynolds 853 frames for $600.

And, why are some 853 frames $600 and some are closer to $2,000? Is it due to the choice of materials for the chain stays? I believe Gunnar uses OX platinum stays?

I am considering an 853 frame and I want it to be climber friendly...stiff chainstays and light What kind of stays should I be looking at?.

Lemond and Schwinn Pelaton seem reasonable, and then there are lots of small builders who seems to have better craftmanship/welds and much higher prices. Landshark, Tetcycles, Sycip, Soulcraft, IF, etc.

Any feedback, ranting, opinions appreciated.
Just got a Gunnar.MB1
Oct 9, 2001 8:26 AM
Except for the decal material it is great. I got a Snow Yellow Street Dog. It is my second 853 frame.

Why is one frame more expensive than another? Waterford can build you a really nice 853 frame with lugs. Available in a lot more sizes with more options. Won't function any better then their Gunnar frames, might fit you better if you are an odd size.

Another problem with my bike-shifting-no matter what I do it won't shift out of the 16. Hmmm.......
re: Gunnar and other 853 frames?Cliff Oates
Oct 9, 2001 8:49 AM
I have a Gunnar Crosshairs and a Waterford 2200. The Gunnar has 853 main tubes, True Temper OX stays, 531 fork blades, and it uses Ritchey dropouts as I recall. The paint is powdercoat and the decals are not clearcoated. The frame is TIG welded. The frameset retails for $780. My Waterford is 853 except the fork which uses 531 blades. Henry James stainless dropouts are used, and the remainder of the castings are also from Henry James. The frame is lugged and the joints were silver brazed by hand. The frame is painted with wet paint in a color scheme of my choosing and the decals I selected are clearcoated.

Unfortunately, the Gunnar was shipped to me (arrived on 9/6/01) with an alignment problem in the rear triangle and as of late last week the frame was still in Wisconsin and I am still getting jerked around by the folks at Waterford. It was noted that Gunnars are not built to the same exacting standards as Waterfords. I love my 2200, and I expect to love my Crosshairs, but Waterford is pissing me off at the present time.

$600 is a heck of a good price for this frame. Small custom or semi-custom builders are going to be at least $200 higher. I have my reservations about Waterford's QA and customer service process right now. When they get it right though, they do make a very good product.

re: Gunnar and other 853 frames?koala
Oct 9, 2001 9:29 AM
I have a foco from Teesdale and he sold me the frame for 799 and an Ouzo Pro fork for 260. He has similar pricing for 853 frames. Both steels get rave reviews. I am 178# and my frame is very stiff.The frame weighs 3lbs5oz in 55cm(ctoc)with water bottle bolts,only a few ounces heavier than a Vortex. Price was for a single color, and the paint is beautiful but chips easily. Overall, a great buy. I especially like the ride, it soaks up irregularities in the road my old nivacrome bike didnt.
re: Gunnar and other 853 frames?Leisure
Oct 11, 2001 1:31 AM
I just bought a Gunnar and I love it. I didn't expect the ride quality to be as good as it was. It's "easily worthy of putting Dura-Ace or Chorus on", in the words of my LBS, and I happily second that. It could very well be that Waterford pays less attention to detail than on their self-named stuff, but my experience has been that choosing a high-end company to make a mid-market product almost always yields better results than vice-versa.
I'm pretty sure you're right about OX-platinum being used on the chain-stays, and that seems to be a popular choice among a lot of companies, even the mega-gootchie ones like Seven; I don't think it's a cost-based decision. Now this is steel, so it's not going to be particularly light, but I think weight's way over-rated anyway.
Lemond is also carried by my LBS, and they recommend Gunnar over Lemond, particularly against Lemond's less-expensive models that compromise more on the tubesets. The general weld- and build-quality are also better on the Gunnar. Gunnar can also do semi-custom orders--check it out at I don't know anything first-hand about Schwinn, but I heard it was recently bought-out by some conglomerate or another. For all we know it may become part of the Wal-mart scene. This may also spell discounts on their current stuff.
I just posted about Seven cycles as a great Ti alternative to Litespeed, but most people don't know that they also do full-custom taylored steel tubesets for your riding style, build, geometry, etc., with the prices you typically associate with it. Their Odonata-steel frame integrates carbon in the seat-tube and -stays, making for one of the lighter steel frames available. Look at My LBS sells tons of their Ti bikes, and their craftmanship and attention to detail are immaculate in my opinion.
check out DonohueMJ
Oct 11, 2001 2:16 AM

as a frame only deal it's great - don't forget to deduct VAT (Euro-sales tax)

let the death of heavy industry in the North of England benefit you...