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help pick j-ku's 2002 events from this list, and others...(22 posts)

help pick j-ku's 2002 events from this list, and others...Js Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 10:17 AM
thinking i'll pick three from these and go from there. i'm wanting to target longer rides and those in the century-double metric range that include some substantial (for this part of the country) climbing. all listed are within realistic driving distance 'cept for the b2b, which is a 10-hour haul, and the 6-gap, which is a 9-hour haul.

know of anything else within driving distance of elvisville?

if you've done 'em, benefits of one ride listed over the other?



may 5
3 state 3 mountain century
100 miles, 7700 feet climbing
chattanooga, tn

june 26
cherahala challenge
105 miles, 9080 feet climbing
knoxville, tn

september 1
labor day century
clarksville, tn

september 16
Bridge to Bridge Incredible Cycling Century Challenge
102 miles, "100 Miles of Pure Hill"
lenoir, nc

september 30
Six Gap Century
100 miles, 10k feet climbing
dahlonega, ga

october 13
north georgia century plus
double metric
chicamauga, ga
Say it isn't so!Lazy
Oct 5, 2001 10:47 AM
Does this mean you're giving up your spot on the USPS team for the TdF? How will Lance win without you? :-)

Which ever you choose, I'm sure you'll have a good time.
usps dropped me for next season...Js Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 11:20 AM
when they discovered the aerobars interfered with hi-tech "haiku from the handlebar" electronic devices they'd supplied. i'm still working on a consulting basis (of course, making substantially more than they were paying me as a full-time rider). now enabled to remotely compose lance-inspiring haiku anyplace, anytime, including midnight from the haiku bike shop whilst imbibing PBR and staring mindlessly at a disabled single-speed huffy, dave brubeck quartet in the background.

all that, and chechu was jealous.
Rumor is they replaced you with Spinchick. nmMB1
Oct 5, 2001 11:26 AM
wrong. she'd get dropped like a bad habit on that fixie. nmJs Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 11:42 AM
Somehow I can't picture her wearing a habit. nmMB1
Oct 5, 2001 11:53 AM
Oh, I don't know. Do they come in lycra? nmSpinchick
Oct 5, 2001 1:31 PM
that's it! i'm going home. nm / no haiku / no gutter postJs Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 1:33 PM
We have a brevet series near DC.MB1
Oct 5, 2001 10:51 AM
You might want to do the 400K or 600K or 1000K. All the hills you can stand plus 10%. The rides are long enough and hilly enough to justify the drive.

BTW you have to complete a Brevet series to qualify for Paris-Brest or Boston-Montreal. The way you are going I can see something like that in your future.

Don't know anything about the rides on your list. We might want to give them a try someday. I have driven further in Cal to do doubles.
cool, that's only a 15-hour drive one-way, 3 or 4 times...Js Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 11:37 AM
are you TRYING to get me divorced? i'm already in enough hot water as is, with three "event" rides in september, only one of which was out of town, and that was THREE hours away.

750 miles in 90 hours...i've given some thought to BMB. first, there's the Bicycle Across Missouri (BAM), 575 in 63 hours, and they offer a 1/2 distance ride. both half and full are time trials, the full like do(u)g's fc508, and also a RAAM qualifier. i can get a crew for the 1/2 distance, and probably scrape together the money, but it would take two years to facilitate. on the other hand, i could do it unsupported next year. the half BAM, that is. i hear it's one hundred twenty five percent hills.

the wall i'll hit here soon is training. with a quickly budding toddler (18 months) at home, my priority lies where those little pitter-pattering feet lead. the amount of time and mileage required to prepare for even a 300 mile time-trial is probably beyond what i'm capable of dedicating at least 'til he's in his mid teens, i'd say. i'd like him to remember who i am between rides. :-)

one other problem--legs, lungs and head are all picture perfect at 125 miles. in fact, if i'm fueling right and it's not been too hilly, it feels like a 100 mile warmup and a ride that's just beginning at 125, though my times so far aren't too astounding (~16.5 mph avg dbl metric, best so far). i have zero doubt about a 300k, stretching a little for a full double century, at this point...but...MY BUTT feels like a pincushion after 80 miles. guess i need to save my pennies for a brooks. the specialized BGC i have on both roadies and the mtb work wonderfully if i'm not out there more than a couple hours...then my whole existence centers on my rear.
Another option of course is to just stay home &ride a lot.MB1
Oct 5, 2001 11:47 AM
I think family comes first, second and third. Save your $$$ and get a tandem with a kid back. In a few years the kid will be kicking @ss and taking numbers.

I saw a father son tandem (the kid looked to be 10 or so)at the Death Valley Double about 3 years ago-they were flying down one of the passes with the kid in a full areo tuck. It looked so cool and I bet it was a lot of fun for them both.
there should be something closecyclopathic
Oct 6, 2001 11:37 AM
where do you live? check RUSA site they list all brevets there's a series in Ohio, Atlanta, Florida, New York etc.

with respect to toddler when I was ~20mi to BMB finish line somebody caught up with me. I speeded up to ~23mph (this was the best I could do at that time) but he kept on so we started talking. he asked is it a training ride for BMB? I said no it is the thing then I turn my head and saw he was pulling a trailer with 2 3-5 year old kids boy and girl. Damn we were going 23mph up 2% grade!

BMB also offers quad century option (riding 4 centuries in 4 days) Quads cover the hilly part from Boston to Middlebury and back, it might be a good ride if you think you're not fit to do real thing. I rode BMB on my first year (as the metter of fact 4mo after riding first century)

your butt problems could be because of shorts/bike set up.
my road bike kills me on double metric, more then my randoneer on tripple, same seat btw.

this what works for ultra distance rides:
frame - steel or Ti
tires - 25-28mm
Hbar tape - foam (~5$ in LBS)
cranks - tripple
aerobars - go faster (almost all sub 65hr finishers on BMB use them)
shorts - VOLER
BUM BAG - butt saver
saddle - the one which works for you

I have tried Brooks and didn't like it. I have seen people using Terry Liberator. 25$ cut out Nashbar 2x foam seat is cheaper and work better then Brooks IMHO

aero wheels alot stiffer I would stay away
st. louis and atlanta are closer than others...Js Haiku Shop
Oct 9, 2001 5:07 AM
thanks for your input!

by the way, what's the difference between your road and randonnee bike? mind describing each?
randonee = light touringcyclopathic
Oct 9, 2001 8:19 AM
build for speed and comfort

I pretty much described it in previous message, once again:

frame steel or Ti
fork steel or Carbon
wider tires (25-28mm tires make ride softer and yet can be as fast as 23mm)

drivetrain: low gearing (tripples or low range cass)
there're climbs on BMB which have 14% grade for .4mi, and you hit them after you get a few hundred miles in your legs so something pretty ridable with 12-23 could be a killer on doubles with 12-27.

pedals/shoes: mnt bike dual sided SPDs and shoes. You have to walk on check points, walk into store etc. On long rides I try to get off the bike and walk to alternate load. Pref you do it uphill (you don't loose much time) but even on flats it helps with back pain Loosing 10min walking uphill can spare you 1/2hour rest. I have had people to pass me while walking to find them 3hr behind.

cockpit double layer of tape (I prefer foam grips), aeorbars
comfortable but not light seat (Liberator, brooks, Nashbar) I use mnt bike seat Bontrager FS2000 it is reasonably light ~280g

lights (mandatory on 300km and above)
2 rear blinkies (get bright ones you don't wanna get reared at night)
2 front (one for back up).
Schmidt hub generator is the choice for randoneers (you can get set up from Peter White cycles). my LightSPIN with 2 Union lights was good enough to descend at night with 40mph.
Cockpit light to read cue sheet.

the other thing ride is self-supported so you should carry enough spares to fix flat, broken chain so on. Zip-ties, rubber bands, spare batteries etc. And some food/medical stuff.

To carry all that stuff you would need either a Cback or a rack with bag.

In England full fenders are mandatory for any events

you end up riding 18-24hr a day, with temperatures ranging from hot in afternoon to cold at night, possible rain so rain jacket, arm/leg warmers are good idea. At night you need a reflective vest. Reflective tape on helmet/frame is a good idea.
info requestedDuane Gran
Oct 5, 2001 3:41 PM
I'm curious about this... is there a web site detailing the mid-atlantic brevet scene?
I believe there is a link to it in the Potomac Pedalers website.MB1
Oct 5, 2001 4:15 PM
Otherwise search for Radonneurs USA.
Too bad about B-to-BMick
Oct 5, 2001 11:28 AM
Too bad about Bridge-to-Bridge being too far. It's a great ride and the last two miles up Grandfather Mountain will put a hurt on anyone.
not ruling it out if it's worth the drive. nmJs Haiku Shop
Oct 5, 2001 11:38 AM
Here's a suggestion:look271
Oct 5, 2001 2:22 PM 10k feet of climbing. 9 mountains. Might be too far of a drive for you, however. I'd like to try to fit it into my rides schedule for next year. We'll see. I am definately targeting the 3 mountain challenge. A buddy of mine does it, and he climbs like a rock, so I KNOW I can do it.
i saw that one, even mentioned it to humma awhile back...Js Haiku Shop
Oct 9, 2001 5:12 AM
"mama's gonna kick your butt", and "you want flat, stay home." yep, that's a long drive.

the 3st/3mt was great, now i'm having trouble deciding between that one and the cheaha challenge, both on the same weekend. ugh! 12x23 did the 3/3 this year, as did i...each climb is rougher than the last, ending in one heckuva death march up the backside of lookout mountain by way of "burkhalter gap", where i actually bruised the bottom of my feet in a look-cleat pattern whilst walking up the mountain, pushing my bike, questioning life. 2002 i'll ride up it.

what part of the country/what city are you in?
Do 'em all . .12x23
Oct 5, 2001 4:39 PM
Since you've ridden 3state/3mountain I would also suggest the Cheaha Challenge. In fact, if 3/3 is the same weekend as Cheaha next year, I'll go to Cheaha. Or both.

I am tired of sharing the road with boy-racer types in full leathers on super bikes screaming past/by/toward/too-d*mned-close in Dahlonega. Too much of that this year. Got 'buzzed' by a Ducatti in full song and the guy behind me said if I knew how close the motorcycle was I would've soiled my linen, er . . chamois. It's a shame, 6 Gap is one of my favs, been every year since 1994. I may go there earlier next year, and ride it during the week without all the d*mned hornets and 100dB Harleys.

N.Ga. is flat-to-rolling, best I recall. This century started near Kimball, Tn the last several years and was much hillier there. The N.Ga. route is just right for me at this time of year with the shorter days cutting in on my ride time.

I haven't ridden the others, yet.
yeah, pulling the young one in a bike trailer up the climbs???Js Haiku Shop
Oct 9, 2001 5:15 AM
I might consider doing the 3st/3mt and cheaha, but i'd have to be in mighty good (goodER than now) shape by then...and i'd sure have to save my ride coupons to accrue a weekend plus drive time away from the homestead.

it sounds like a nice weekend of suffering. sure might be a good way to start the year.