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Disposable 2001 Cannondale r4000si(11 posts)

Disposable 2001 Cannondale r4000simorey
Oct 3, 2001 11:01 AM
After I purchased this bike, after not really wanting to get into aluminum, I found that I like it! Now I hear that this frame is "disposable". That it won't last. That it will break. How can this be with a bike that I have found to be light, fast and comfortable. It is harsher and noisier than my old steel bike, but not overly so. What gives? Is aluminum just misunderstood?
Not disposable, RECYCLABLE!!! ;-)(nm)Cima Coppi
Oct 3, 2001 11:51 AM
Oct 3, 2001 12:05 PM
Wow, in 5 years when you are racing the same frame, just find whoever told you that and laugh at him/her. My alumnimun bikes, including an old cadd2 cdale have lasted for many many years. Most of my teammate in college raced aluminum and are still riding the same rames 7 years later. people are still stuck with a 1970s conceptualization of aluminum. That is not the case anymore. AL is fast, light, comfortable, and durable.
Don't believe everything u hear!DG
Oct 3, 2001 12:14 PM
Unlike many eurobikes which are made in East Asia , cannondale not only manufacturers its frames ONLY in the USA but also makes the tubing for its bikes. Cannondale had some issues with ride quality and frame failures in the early days, but not anymore. I haven't heard about a disproportionate number of cannondale frame failing. Is there anyone out there whose Cad4+ frame has failed?

I have owned a cannondale cad4 and have been very happy with it. Cannondales are among a number of alu frames ridden by the pro peloton. Have you seen any catastrophic failures on TV as the pros put thousands of miles under intense race conditions, over mountains and cobble stones???

Unless you are very unlucky, it is very likely that your Cannondale will give you years of service without any failure. You will most likely upgrade before the frame fails. Like I did--I ride an Opera now. But I won't didd C'dales. Cheers!
re: Disposable 2001 Cannondale r4000siTJeanloz
Oct 3, 2001 12:27 PM
People who call aluminum 'disposable' or other derrogatory things are just not up on the facts of bicycle life. I will concede as fact that when compared to titanium, aluminum is not as strong. But it's a fool's argument, and here's why:

1. Your bike is a Cannondale, and it is covered by a lifetime warranty. You'll notice that the warranty doesn't cover fatigue, but it does assure you of many years of use.

2. It will break, this is a fact. Nothing, including any of us, lasts forever.

3. You'd be hard pressed to build a bike from any material, save titanium, that would be as light and as stiff as your CAAD6. And we haven't begun to talk about price yet.

People generally make fun of aluminum bikes like the CAAD6 or EV2 as a way to justify their purchase of a Litespeed, or Serotta (et. al). And as a salesperson, we'd play to that fear. I sold a Litespeed Palmares to a guy this spring. He was big, (6' 3" 225+ lbs), and I sold him partly on the fact that the Litespeed was indestructable. That was very important to him. Why it was important, I'm not sure, considering that it replaced a 1986 Cannondale. This big guy got 15 years out of a 'disposable' frame.

Price wise: let's be reasonable, in performance terms, the CAAD6 is comparable to a very high end Ti bike (in every catagory except longevity). But you could buy at least 2 of them for the same price as an esoteric Seven.

And lastly, how often do you buy a new bike? People made fun of me around the shop because I often bought bikes with reputations for cracking (I've had C'dales, Trek OCLV's, Ev2 etc). But the fact was that I get a new bike on about a 10 month rotation. I never came even close to breaking one. And now I have a Litespeed Vortex, people say "that's a bike for the rest of your life" or until I get something new in five months.

You need to be honest with yourself- how long do you plan to ride the same frame? My unscientific research indicates (a poll of our customer database) indicates that the average cycling 'enthusiast' gets a new frame every 3 to 4 years. Not many people will break a frame in that period.
Question for TJeanlozJon
Oct 3, 2001 5:08 PM

In your opinion what's the best bang for your buck these days in aluminum frames?
Question for TJeanlozTJeanloz
Oct 3, 2001 5:38 PM
I wish there was a good answer for this question, but there really isn't. Since about 1999, the aluminum frame has been sort of a funny thing in the bike business. There are some good ones out there- in fact, a lot of good ones. But what it really comes down to is that most of them are the same.

The vast majority of alu bikes, even those (the Specialized SL for example) that claim to be US made, are sourced from Taiwan. I'm sure, but don't have 1st hand knowledge, that some European builders also put a "made in Italy" sticker on bikes that were born in Taiwan. This is not inherently bad, the Taiwanese are superb welders. But there aren't very many unique facilities in Taiwan. So the vast majority of aluminum frames are essentially the same thing. All the companies have special names for their "proprietary" aluminum tubeset. N'Lightened, M4, E5, whatever. It's all the same stuff, welded by the same guy, just a different sticker.

So in choosing the "best" aluminum bike, I'm likely to side with Cannondale- simply because they have more experience and first hand aluminum engineering knowledge than anybody in the industry (with the possible, but unlikely exception of Klien). The Taiwanese just copy the work of Cannondale and Klien. But when you do a cost-benefit, Cannondales and Kliens tend to lose ground to their Asian competitors. Some of the Asian bikes are so much cheaper it boggles the mind.

So the bottom line is, my top aluminum bike is probably a Cannondale CAAD6. Bang for the buck though- look for a really high end Asian job from some manufacturer that isn't known for road bikes: Giant, K2, Marin, Jamis to name a few. I bet, but don't know, that you could find a really great deal on a Schwinn Fastback Factory about now. That bike will give you 95% the performance of the best aluminum bikes in the world, and it shouldn't break your wallet.
Thanks (nm)Jon
Oct 3, 2001 7:20 PM
re: Disposable 2001 Cannondale r4000siCT1
Oct 3, 2001 6:48 PM
When I bought my cadd5 frame the factory warranty paperwork said something like 3 years on complete bikes and ZERO on anything other than a fully assembled bike. That was OK with me as the frame was way stronger than it needed to be for my weight.

I sold the frame after 4 weeks and about 1000 miles. I didn't like the way the front end "felt'. It would proably make a good race specific bike but I used it as my daily ride and that didn't work for me.

re: Disposable 2001 Cannondale r4000siTJeanloz
Oct 4, 2001 7:37 AM
Warranty information is available @, which was the source of my comment.
Same Old Frame-Material Petty Squabblesjtolleson
Oct 3, 2001 1:05 PM
Yes, the Al riders then say it about carbon fibre, and the Ti folks say it about steel (rust).

And then since no one can really say it about ti, they flame the ti riders about how they overpaid for their bikes and are shallow poseurs. Its an endless petty cycle.

My second good road bike was a Cannondale (old stiff 2.8 R900) and I rode it five seasons before making a switch, and frame was not an issue (low end componentry was). The bike you've bought is as nice a thing as Canny's ever produced and you'll enjoy it for many, many years.