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New Seven Cycles Road Frame(36 posts)

New Seven Cycles Road FrameMikeC
Oct 2, 2001 6:58 AM
Got $3195 burning a hole in your pocket? Seven's introducing their new Alta road frame at Interbike. Compact design, no carbon, and 6.5 oz lighter than the Odonata in a 55cm.
It uses their new "ultrabutted" ti tubeset, with up to ten different thicknesses along the length of a tube! I trust Seven's ability to tune a ride, but I wonder how many frames you have to build before you can get a real (not theoretical) understanding of how all those butting options affect performance.
Now I don't know which bike to dream about....Chris Zeller
Oct 2, 2001 7:23 AM
I thought I had my mind made up on the Axiom. I love the concept of all Ti tuned to be 2.3 lbs in a 58. I just wonder if it is stiff enough. I'd like to see some reviews of normal weight male riders (170-200lbs) before I'll accept that anything that light really can hold up. But then again, I'm wasting my time. Before I can afford one, they will be talking about sub 1.5 lb frames. As an engineer I thought surely there was an upper limit to how light structures can be. Seems to be disproven daily.

P.S. I love the changes at the Seven websiteChris Zeller
Oct 2, 2001 7:25 AM
They even added prices. I always wondered just how expensive these frames really were. Now that I know, it's not so bad after all.
Oct 2, 2001 8:38 AM
Just had a buddy take delivery on a new Axiom - he's in the 200# club and really likes his new ride. It's a little early to say about durability in his case, but I think Seven has it dialed in - if there were problems it would be all over this website. Remember: light, cheap, durable - pick any two.

I actually don't mind that my ti ride weighs a little more than my OCLV - the feel is worth it.
this is what I would getJack S
Oct 2, 2001 7:26 AM
LOL! Just don't know where to start with this bike.....(nm)Chris Zeller
Oct 2, 2001 7:50 AM
It's NOT about the bike...Me Dot Org
Oct 2, 2001 8:09 AM
...okay, maybe in this instance it IS about the bike...
False advertising. I don't remenber a seven being ...JS
Oct 2, 2001 8:29 AM
ridden to a world championship, so why the rainbow strips on the down tube?
Oct 2, 2001 8:33 AM
It's when a Seven dreams?!

Probably some non-bikie marketing guy thought it would look cool.
not legal thoughMiniMe
Oct 2, 2001 9:10 AM
the only way to use those colors.
World Championship on SevenDog
Oct 2, 2001 9:46 AM
Oct 2, 2001 9:54 AM
So winning the womens masters WC on a MTB (IMBA) gives one the basis for using WC colors on a road bike? Isn't that a pretty fine niche expanded beyond reason? Wonder what World Cycling Federation says about that - anyone have their book handy?
All part of the Seven hype machine (nm)bike_junkie
Oct 2, 2001 10:00 AM
is a little strangeDog
Oct 2, 2001 10:08 AM
I wonder whether the rules (not going to take the time to look it up) permit the manufacturer to use the colors if any bike wins, or only in that class or event. I know for the jersey it's only for that event and class.

But, who really cares? I'd bet most of the riders buying the bike won't even know what the colors mean anyway.

UCI, genius!turnleft
Oct 2, 2001 10:14 AM
The World MTB Championships are UCI sanctioned (Union Cycliste Internationale), the same body that sanctions professional road cycling.

IMBA is a trails access organization that promotes mountain biking apart from racing. They do not sanction any races.

So thanks for shopping with us, please come again!
yes but...JS
Oct 2, 2001 10:35 AM
the 2000 Worlds were in Sierra Nevada, Spain! So genius, it still ain't legit, but legality has nothing to do with it.
yes but...turnleft
Oct 2, 2001 10:56 AM
uh, it doesnt matter where the races are held, as long as your rider wins! she could have won on the shores of tripoli as long as she was on a seven. now, i do believe that they shouldnt flaunt WC colors on a road bike, maybe even not on a mountain bike, but at least somebody won the WC there.
you missed the pointJS
Oct 2, 2001 11:05 AM
the point was that it wasn't even a UCI world championship that was won
check your facts pal!!!turnleft
Oct 2, 2001 11:53 AM
the *UCI* MASTERS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS were held in Bromont, Canada this year as well as last year. There aren't held necessarily in the same place as the UCI elite championships. So it was UCI sanctioned!
but who won? nmDog
Oct 2, 2001 11:59 AM
What the heck, how is this guy using my registered name GreggJS
Oct 2, 2001 11:59 AM
I thought that's why we registered?
What the heck, how is this guy using my registered name Greggmickey-mac
Oct 2, 2001 12:28 PM
I'll probably regret writing this, but anyone can post under any name since the board make-over. I thought this problem was going to be addressed quickly: guess I was wrong.
Danger... n/mWannabe
Oct 2, 2001 12:58 PM
probably OKMiniMe
Oct 2, 2001 10:16 AM
Spectrum (Tom Kellogg) uses the colors too...probably won on a track bike he made.
Oct 2, 2001 11:05 AM
Tom Kellogg's bikes have won several world championships, including a world championship this year on a track bike.

If Seven didn't win a world championship on a road bike, they shouldn't put the stripes on a road, or track frame, but on one of their mountainbikes. Maybe a Seven road frame has never even been ridden in a World Championship road race, if not, this frame hasn't earned it's stripes.
Further proof that GRZY is clueless about cycling.DUH
Oct 2, 2001 3:54 PM


Uh,, ok.
What, you *need* proof? ;-)grzy
Oct 2, 2001 4:00 PM
"Earning" Your stripesTJeanloz
Oct 2, 2001 11:33 AM
A manufacturer is entitled to use the rainbow insignia on his equipment if any UCI world championships is won on equipment made or marketed by said manufacturer. It could be masters, women, juniors, trials, bicycle dance (yes, there is a UCI worlds jersey for that) etc. etc.

Seven has clearly met the technical letter of the rule here, though we could argue endlessly about whether they meet the spirit of the regulation. Several other builders use the rainbow stripes under the same auspices, off the top of my head I could name: Torelli, Yamaguchi, 3Rensho, etc.
build it and they will come...bike_junkie
Oct 2, 2001 9:43 AM
The weight weenies with more money than brains, that is. Don't care for those boring Litespeed-type of plate dropouts.
That is light though, as if any riders can actually sense one frame being a few ounces lighter than the next. It's the ride that matters, and ultralight weight doesn't always equate to the best possible ride.
Saying a piece of equipment is nice is not the same....Chris Zeller
Oct 2, 2001 12:59 PM
as saying it will make you a better rider. I think everyone here realizes that. There is a certain amount of fun in tuning your bike to be the best it can be. I know I speak for a lot of people on this board when I say that the act of obsessing over your bike, dreaming and saving for each component makes it all the more fun to ride and even may make you want to get out and ride more often.

This just for now seems like the pincle of that persuit. I know it won't make me a better rider, but just the same I'll take mine in a 58" please.
They should have just stuck Shimano on it. Ugly POS. nmDog Breath
Oct 2, 2001 10:33 AM
Ugly yes...tirider
Oct 2, 2001 7:31 PM
...POS?...well then you should bag up your feces and take it to the bank. I admit I'm not enamored with the ultra compact look but realistically there isn't any disadvantage mechanically that I can see given the weight savings. Aesthetics are a subjective thing... I personally went with a moderate toptube slope to match a 80 degree stem. You should however drop your incessant vituperation concerning Shimano as it makes you appear to be a somewhat pretentious Euro wannabe.
Sorry, I just do not care for the sloping/compact look. MO (nm)RhodyRider
Oct 2, 2001 11:21 AM
Ugly is uglyStarliner
Oct 2, 2001 11:58 AM
it's proportions are hard on my eyes. Maybe 650c wheels would improve it a bit. But I'm sure it has a nice personality.
It looks like an AirborneRich Clark
Oct 2, 2001 1:06 PM
And I mean that as a compliment.

Oct 2, 2001 2:14 PM
I thought the same thing, but didn't mention it. Maybe I can get some kind of Netherlands flag decal for my Z since a Zeppelin actually won that championship on the road. And it costs so much less.