|Now that I've got a few miles on the Pegoretti . . .||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 8:12 AM
|It's a cool bike.
I now understand what is the meaning of vertical compliance, lateral stiffness. The bike levels the bumps, tracks in a turn (and over bumps, and on turns over bumps), but is absolutely stiff laterally and through the bottom. When I am grinding up a hill or sprinting, I cannot feel any wasted energy at all. It is a very, very solid platform, but not harsh. Pretty amazing, really.
Handling: Basically, if you want to turn, you can turn. If you don't, you won't. I had been having some difficulty adjusting the headset, so I took it apart and put it back together -- whatever was wrong with it, ain't any more, and the bike's handling is now the dream I thought it should be but wasn't quite for the first miles. (Here, let me do this for you -- no, I don't think that it was a bearing retainer ring placed upside down, thought of that in the first place and checked it about a million times, and, yes, yes, yes, if I had had the LBS mount up the fork as well as press the headset, maybe I wouldn't have had these problems, and it would have cost me only $25 and boy am I a (insert pejorative here), although I would like to add that I showed the headset to a mechanic and all he said was "it's a little loose" -- to all of which I say, no, I do not regret the way it all happened one iota and it never was about the money).
Weight: Not a weight weenie, so I don't even know what it weighs, but it's lighter than my Litespeed. Even bike store guys assume it's alu, but it's boron steel.
The looks: beefy tubing (huge chain stays), but not too obviously oversized. Tig welded, very clean lines. Paint is rich, but not elaborate; it is, dare I say it? elegant, although I tarted it up with marbled bar tape, which I thought would look cool but doesn't -- I'll change it.
Many good things to say about http://www.tiramisu.uk.co. Matt gave me great prices and took care of me through a couple of hiccups, such as a seatpost that simply could not be adjusted to work (PMP, light as sh*t, pretty, but either the machining was a little off or it just wasn't made to adjust to my saddle). The frame took a long time, but they upgraded my fork because of it.
Matt made it easy for me. He held my hand through various choices; I can't imagine getting too much better service out of someone a lot closer. Check Matt out. His website is a bit of a mess (sorry, Matt), but, if you have trouble, e-mail him, and he'll respond. He is a good source for Campy stuff, odds and ends parts (including ti bits and pieces), and Pegoretti and several other framebuilders.
Bottom line: I won't say that this bike is any better than any other, but I'm pretty confident that it can hold it's own against just about any other bike out there. For something a little different, with the allure of Italian steel but with a modern touch, consider it.
|re: Now that I've got a few miles on the Pegoretti . . .||MikeC|
Oct 1, 2001 8:44 AM
|Congratulations on a winner! You can't ask for much more than a bike that's comfortable, efficient, AND handles great. Good luck and enjoy!|
|Well... what did you expect?||mmaggi|
Oct 1, 2001 9:27 AM
|Pegoretti is one of the last true artisans in Italia. If I'm not mistaken, less than 500 frames come from this factory in Verona, Italia.
Someone I know purchased a CCKMP. It's gorgeous. The tubes are beautifully crafted. The head tube is sickly large. I love the look of it. Nice touch on the dropouts too. The paintjob is nice, but not obnoxious. It's simple but it's quality.
Just my opinion, but I firmly believe that frames made by artisans like Pegoretti, Alberto Masi and Gianni Casati are a cut above the others. They pay attention to details and their frames perform very well for the racer or the high performance rider.
|he expects you to ooh and ahh over the bike||nFm|
Oct 1, 2001 9:30 AM
Oct 1, 2001 10:04 AM
|Do you have a problem appreciating someone else's bike or sharing their excitement? Why do you have to be so damn cynical? This board doesn't only give people the chance to share information, it also gives us a chance to share our enthusiasm for the activity, equipment, and victories that give us so much joy.
I sure hope you don't have kids!
|Well, I thought some people might actually be interested in a||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 10:08 AM
|rarely-seen bike, although I mostly wanted to plug Matthew Cazziniga and tiramisu imports, because this is a pretty cool ride that can be had at a fraction of the cost of a Colnago or some others. Just doing my bit to tout the small builder/small distributor. |
But oohing and ahhing would be nice, too. Count you in?
|nice bike, bill; don't even respond to that stuff nm||Dog|
Oct 1, 2001 10:12 AM
|my response was meant more as a subtle gibe at||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 10:21 AM
|a guy with so much bile in his belly that he isn't interested in a bike. Me, I like to look at anything that gets ridden. Saw a guy on a multi-use trail this weekend that hauls a trailer up and down the W&OD trail (DC'ers will know what I mean) from Herndon to Vienna delivering his bakery's bread! Now that was cool. |
Remember the " you can tell you're a roadie if . . . " threads? The one that still makes me laugh, because it's me, is when I see a flash of gleaming leg and a sports bra . . . and I'm looking at the bike.
And I wanted to get another plug in for the distributor. Matt Cazziniga, Tiramisu. There, I did it again.
|the girl or the bike?||Dog|
Oct 1, 2001 10:26 AM
|I know. Our brains just lock up when being forced to decide (in a nanosecond) whether to focus on a girl or her bike. Information overload. Likely will just end up looking stupid and not taking any of it in. :-)
|another version of the girl or the bike||dzrider|
Oct 1, 2001 10:37 AM
|I was sittin on the sidewalk waiting for a group ride to start and saw a shaved leg come by. My first thought was Oh, $hit another racer, I'll be off the back again. When I looked up I was reminded that most of the people who shave their legs aren't bike racers.|
|when I'm driving and I'm forced into this dilemma, I don't even||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 10:43 AM
|want to think about what I've almost hit. Truth is, I don't know myself, because, of course, I wasn't looking.|
|Love it when a plan comes together!||Len J|
Oct 1, 2001 11:31 AM
|Congratulations, sounds like you got za great bike & learned a lot.
|re: Pegoretti . . .Steel is the way to go!||CarbonTi|
Oct 1, 2001 12:37 PM
|Sounds like a great bike. Perhaps another convert to the steel bike ranks. |
I have a couple of bikes but I usually choose the steel ones first (over Carbon or aluminum - don't have a ti). Whatever extra weight there is on steel bikes effects your head more than your legs. Best of luck.
|re: Now that I've got a few miles on the Pegoretti . . .||flying|
Oct 1, 2001 1:12 PM
|Cool Bill congrats!
I was also interested in a Pegoretti.
I ended up with a Colnago because of availability.
Im still in awe of my last ride ;-)
Italians do it best IMHO
My last ride was a Masi Gran Corsa. Rode it for 12
years & still looks & rides great.
Hope you can post a pic.
I wanted to look at the link of http://www.tiramisu.uk.co/
but it comes up as a domain holding page?
|My bad. Try http://www.tiramisu.co.uk||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 1:33 PM
|Here's the actual link.||bill|
Oct 1, 2001 1:40 PM