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Sep 28, 2001 1:32 PM
I think of buying LOOK281 or LOOK 386. Is it a good frame? Does it come with life time warranty?
great frame!JohnG
Sep 28, 2001 3:31 PM
The LOOK KG281 is a GREAT frame.... it's fairly stiff and lively. Totally surprised me in terms of the road feel. Not at all like a soft/dead carbon frame.

Keep in mind that the 281 discontinued for 2002 but that should really not matter if all you want is a great frame. Heck, you should be able to get a good deal on one.

I'm not sure sure about the warranty but I think it's one year. ??? I had some recent dealings with the US LOOK distributor and found them to be really good folks! :)

Here is a link to the LOOK web site:

I'll probably order a KG381i as soon as they become available.

Sorry for the blurry pic but I had to lower the res big time to get it loaded. Record/Chorus mix, 16.5#, quick and lively! :)
great frame!Allen az
Sep 28, 2001 4:10 PM
The KG381i is the same as the KG281, except for the integrated HS.

I'm getting the KG381i too, and I can't wait! :)

BTW, what are advantages/disadvantages of integrated headsets?

Integrated headsetsMick
Sep 28, 2001 4:17 PM
Garrett Lee of Bicycling Magazine had an article in last month's issue where he strongly criticized integrated headsets. Bicycling rarely criticizes any products so I found this remarkable.

His claim - which seems logical - is that there is no mechanical advantage and no weight advantage to an integrated headset and several drawbacks. Two of which are, special tools to install and adjust, and replacement of a headset means buying a new frame.
BS flagJohnG
Sep 28, 2001 4:30 PM
IHS's ARE a tiny bit lighter and ... replace the frame??? LOL.

I'm not trying to "defend" IHS's but the Bicycling comments are pretty laughable.

fairly significant differences actuallyJohnG
Sep 28, 2001 4:26 PM
The KG381i also has at least a partially new tubeset .... most noticeably the the seat tube which is VERY aero. Not sure if this is a big deal (water bottle will obscure it) but it sure look nice.

I've got two other bikes with integrated HS's and there really is NO advantage OR disadvantage over a "regular" HS. OK, they are a tiny bit lighter but hardly worth the effort. In theory, they should also be cheaper but that doesn't seem to be the case right now. Probably due to the supply/demand/newness equation. I suspect this is a cost savings move by the big bike manufacturers.

The apparent big difference in the 381i is the new HSC4 LOOK fork. 1.125" steerer tube and a new lower legs. Haven't seen one up close yet but it looks a bit beefier than the 2 and 3. Again, not sure if this is an improvement or not. My HSC2 seems plenty stiff by my standards.... and my brothers 56cm is also at least as stiff as his Colnago Flash which has a rep for being a fairly stiff fork. In fact, the only minor complaint I could give with the HSC2 is that the steerer tube is a tad flexy. I would expect that the 1.125" 4 will be somewhat stiffer in that regard.

Good stuff eh
you can still get the 281 as the 381Dave Hickey
Sep 28, 2001 4:39 PM
If you want a 281, the 381 is the same frame. It is the middle frame in LOOK's line up. Top of the line is the 381i, next is the 381 and last is the 361. Any of the above would be great frames. If you are a large rider and want a very stiff frame look at the 386 or the new KX.
not really the same.... somewhat different actuallyJohnG
Sep 28, 2001 5:20 PM
The seat tube on the new 381 is the 'trick' tappered beastie common to the 381i.

Take a close look at the 'rouge' colored 381 here:

KG386Avanti Guy
Sep 29, 2001 4:11 AM
Frankly I cant see why many people dont go for the 386, its cheaper, seems more aero, good frame geometry and is light. I know the 386 is made in Taiwan and the 281-381 is made in France. That may be part of it, still I like the look of the KX :)...
re: LOOKPaul M
Sep 29, 2001 9:29 AM

Although you did not mention this frame model, there
is a shop in England selling Look KG231 frames and forks
for just under £270. They also do alot of really cool
bikes at a good price. So you want to check em out, you
can find them at They claim to
deliver worldwide in 3/4 days

Good luck
Sep 30, 2001 12:10 AM
any comments on the 231 frame.
i was going to build up a giant tcr but might go with the look instead.

231Dave Hickey
Sep 30, 2001 4:29 AM
I've owned a KG221 and I currently own a KG241. Workmanship on both is great. I've seen the ads for the 231 in Procyling. I think it's an outstanding value for the price. The only issue is the bike has an aluminum fork. If thats not a problem for you, I'd say go for it.
Sep 30, 2001 3:00 PM
The KG231 advertised in says
it comes with carbon forks, and for extra cash
they will fit a Credit Agricole headset and pedals.
(I posted the reply under Paul M but now have a
registered name).
231Dave Hickey
Sep 30, 2001 4:19 PM
I have the same ad. Carbon frame + fork. You better check with Deesidecycles. The KG231 orginally came with a threaded aluminum fork. I have a LOOK owners manual and it shows chro-mo steerer and dural aluminum fork. My KG221 had an aluminum fork and it was very nice riding. Even it's aluminum, that's a great price for the frame/fork.