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Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?(7 posts)

Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?Tribuddha
Sep 23, 2001 7:38 PM
Is this a marketing fad to allow the bike manufacturers to create demand for "ne stuff" i.e. sell new bikes. Or is there a validity in having carbon set stays on alu/steel/ti bikes. Can alsmot understand it on an alu bike but steel? Reason I am asking is a friend has been recommended a steel carbon mix bike by local LBS. She suffers from neck problems due to car accident, and comfort is a premium. Any comments, any one with experience with cabon seat stays, thanks in advance.
re: Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?terry_b
Sep 23, 2001 8:16 PM
I've been riding an Opera now for about 6 months. It is more comfortable at the butt level than my other steel bike, but I can't imagine there is enough of a difference to recommend it to someone who suffers from chronic pain. Sounds to me like the LBS has the LBS's interests in mind, not your friend's.

Are carbon stays a marketing fad - who knows.Certainly innovation is not aimed entirely at making our (the consumers) lives better; innovation is of course about selling bikes. I bought one because there were some elements about carbon that I liked as well as some elements of steel. I do prefer it to my carbon bike, much less dead overall. Still has the bright characterics of steel. I also prefer it to my steel bike - less noise in the saddle. But I still ride them all equally, the differences are totally subjective and minor and even change with my mood.

However, I'd guess relief from neck pain while riding has much more to do with riding position than frame material. Your firiend needs to get fitted with a bike that minimizes her particular problem. That being said, if she wants to isolate herself as much as possible from road noise, I'd go straight carbon.
comfort= fit + bike geometry + tirescolker
Sep 24, 2001 4:12 AM
neck pain will probably go away when you raise the handlebar.
road noise will disappear with longer chainstays, supple tires and a good saddle.
i talked to a guy with a pinnarello prince yesterday. he said the cf stays are not "plush". the bike is stiff as the paris.
re: Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?Me Dot Org
Sep 23, 2001 8:46 PM
On Monday I took delivery of a Carl Strong Foco steel frame with Carve CF seat stays. Compared to my last (chromoly) steel frame, the ride is noticeable more supple. It is the most comfortable road bike I've ridden. I've done about 200 miles this week.

As the previous poster noted, CF doesn't eliminate vibration. I would say that you appreciate on long rides, but if your neck hurts after a 20 mile ride, I don't think CF seat stays would be a panacea.
re: Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?MikeC
Sep 24, 2001 5:14 AM
As someone who just switched from ti to carbon seat stays (and a carbon seat tube) on Saturday, I tend to agree with the others that they won't make a substantial enough difference for someone with a physical problem.
However, Seven Cycles says the following about the Odonata:
"The original reason Seven elected to use carbon in the seat stays of the Odonata was to balance out the ride characteristics that a carbon fork brings to a bike. By using carbon in the seat stays, we discovered a level of dampening similar to that of a carbon fork. In other words, we realized good dampening in the front end and the rear end, while maintaining many of the great ride characteristics of titanium (or steel), such as liveliness (which carbon traditionally does not offer) and durability (which carbon does not offer)."
I think that the real solution for your friend may lie in custom geometry.
re: Carbon seat stays - passing fad or the real deal?Birddog
Sep 24, 2001 6:47 AM
Have your friend test ride a Softride. If her neck pain comes from road chatter or is amplified by it, the Softride suspension might be the answer.
re: Empire Bicycles Scandium Carbon Frameride24-7
Sep 24, 2001 1:08 PM
Ive been riding a Scandium frame with carbon stays for about 4 months and compared to my previous steel Waterford, this bike is a much more pleasing ride. It keeps the rear end stiff but yet allows a nice smooth ride on rougher roads. But, in my honest opion, I dont think it is noticeable enough to recommend it for a neck problem, I think I would lean more towards positioning on the frame she has already.