|Buying overseas unAmerican?||Hilly|
Sep 20, 2001 8:24 AM
|In this time of economic hardship for the US is encouraging (and buying) stuff from Ireland and other overseas places really a good move? Buy American folks!|
|Ahhh...hold it. Ain't that easy||cory|
Sep 20, 2001 8:34 AM
|Far as I'm concerned, you can buy anywhere you want--but the ownership and manufacturing of just about everything is so tangled these days that it's hard to be sure what you're getting.
Some Fords, for instance, are made in Canada while many Hondas and Mazdas are made in the U.S. My "Japanese" Isuzu pickup is really an American Chevy S-10 and was built in Mexico, but the dealer and the salesman who got my money are right here in my hometown. A whole bunch of stuff from that American icon Eddie Bauer is made in China. You can hardly find a pair of shoes built in the U.S. anymore.
In any case, when you single out Ireland...is it really a good idea to cut off our allies? Don't buy from Afghanistan if you don't want to, but why starve out the Irish? And for that matter, when half the world seems to hate us, is isolating ourselves from people who are willing to do business with us a smart thing to do?
|"Buy Human"||Rich Clark|
Sep 20, 2001 8:43 AM
|Yeah, American gruppos are really fine, aren't they. And the stores are just loaded with American-made TV's and audio systems.
And which car is more American: a Chrysler made in Canada or a Toyota made in Tennessee?
And when you buy that Chrysler, how much of the money ends up in Germany? In Japan (Mitsubishi engines in some Dodges)? Is a GM/Geo more or less American than the identical Suzuki or Toyota?
We live in a global economy. We have been for a long time. Multinational corporations exist specifically to circumvent the restrictions of any single country's economy. "Buy American" is an easy sentiment to support, almost impossible to implement.
Sep 20, 2001 9:13 AM
|Your reasoning is a little myopic, but few people really understand economics anyway. Buying American is a noble sentiment, but there are very few products of any type that are 100% American from start to finish.
The economic hardship for the US came after a period of outstanding growth and prosperity. Everyone seemed to have money to spend. So companies expanded and spent recklessly, based on ludicrous projections that the growth would always continue. Then reality began to hit, and the house of cards fell apart. In a way, you could say buying American is what caused this problem in the first place.
America still has plenty of stuff to sell to other countries, but unless they have money to spend, they can't buy it. So not buying from Ireland could make America's problems worse. Now they can't buy our wheat, or steel, or whatever.
The global economy is a system, and trying to tweak the system too much to anyone's advantage has consequences somewhere else.
|What it is really UNAMERICAN...||nestorl|
Sep 20, 2001 9:21 AM
|is to chager $800 for a pair of wheels that cost $100 to make and which are sold for $400 everywhere else in the world... and don't give me the "we have to import it and pay taxes...european shops pay even more taxes and import duties and still sell the AMERICAN producs for less than we sell them here.. the truth is..being the distributer, the shop, or the manufactorer..someone is "L their AO" all the way to the bank...and I am not willing to play the game. Is that Unamerican??? Do you want to know what would be unamerican..?? NOt to fight for our rights not to be robbbed! that would be unamerican!|
Sep 20, 2001 9:54 AM
|Most bike stuff in the USA is cheap !!! Go to other countries and you'll pay lots more than here. One UK site lists Ksyriums at 500 pounds, that's $800 which is what they are here right? I am trying to work out how you say everything is half the price of what we pay in the USA? If that's true, everybody would buy it from overseas.|
|Nope, Ks are for 450 USD||nestorl|
Sep 20, 2001 10:12 AM
|I got ks for 470 including shipping!!! most US gear including Components and frames cannondales, treks, etc are actually cheaper overseas.
for example check
then convert the L to USD THEN substract the 18% EU tax and you have Ks for 440!. check the prices for EVERYTHING else in that site! everything will be less than in the US
you can also check totalcycling.com...higher prices but still considerably less than in the US...
|re: Buying overseas unAmerican?||Lone Gunman|
Sep 20, 2001 9:55 AM
|As American as you can get is Trek, Lemond or Litespeed, Cannondale, etc. I am fairly certain it stops there at the framesets. My bike right now is fairly multi national. Tires/Germany, Seat/England, frame/USA, bars and stem/Italy, component group/Japan, pedals/France, wheels/USA. The global economy dictates this today. Hey at least if you buy from a mailorder inside US borders or LBS, they made some cash on the deal.|
|Chew on this: Pentagon hires British firm for rebuild||huevoslocos|
Sep 20, 2001 9:56 AM
|Defense Department Chooses Pentagon Rebuilders (article at end)
So obviously our economy is so interconnected with others that it doesnt make sense to just outright reject foreign products. I personally prefer to buy American as much as possible and would encourage others to do so, but you just can't avoid the global marketplace. There are plenty of issues that this topic raises (trade deficits, how to limit job loss, protecting our industries from dumping/underselling by others), but in the long run, we will benefit from both global trade and from strong US businesses. Today, you can't have just one or the other.
KRTBN Knight-Ridder Tribune Business News: The Washington Times - Washington, D.C.
Copyright (C) 2001 KRTBN Knight Ridder Tribune Business News; Source: World Reporter (TM)
The Defense Department has hired a British construction giant to rebuild the portion of the Pentagon that terrorists destroyed last week, and a Colorado company to continue the ongoing renovation of the massive compound.
AMEC PLC, a British conglomerate, will rebuild the section of the building that was destroyed when a hijacked commercial airliner slammed into it Sept. 11.
Sep 20, 2001 9:59 AM
|Gawd...I thought the new TASS testing requirements had eradicated this outdated ethnocentrical philosophy.
Wake up and come out of your bomb shelter, it's a whole new world.
|Buying BOOTS overseas is un-American, but ...||Humma Hah|
Sep 20, 2001 1:56 PM
|... virtually all of the sports shoes are foriegn-made. I worked for a lab that did footwear testing: we bought the Footwear Industries of America's lab because their charter forbade them doing foriegn business, and basically there IS no footwear made in the US any more.
The exception is work boots, high-end dress boots, and firefighting boots.
|What does unAmerican mean?||cj|
Sep 20, 2001 7:37 PM
|what are you stupid?||Defman|
Sep 21, 2001 6:55 AM
|UnAmerican means not american by definition. Go buy a dictionary Festus!|
|just repeat after me..."Anger management is good"...nm||nestorl|
Sep 21, 2001 8:28 AM
|Stupid? No; nor rude.||cj|
Sep 21, 2001 9:46 AM
|By your definition (thanks for clearing that up), the original question is "stupid", because buying overseas is clearly not American.
The issue is what kind of behavior is not in the best interests of the US of A. Should we as citizens today buy goods that are cheaper but foreign-made at a sacrifice to our own net worth? Who wins that way? Where do the profits go if we 'buy American' - to a global corporation? Is the global economy ethically unAmerican? Is it better to support small businesses rather than corporations, no matter where the people live who do the work? Is buying a bike assembled and sold in the US with a frame made in Taiwan and components made in Italy unAmerican? Is buying shoes from a US company who pays their foreign workers pennies 'American'?
So when we buy something in a case where it is clear that the profits do not support a cause antithetical to the US, what comes first: do we take care of ourselves (balance quality & price), do we take care of US corporations (maybe pay more & buy US whether made here or elsewhere), do we take care of people (pay more & buy from small business, or support a corporation who we know employs people in the US)?
I'll pay more at a local business because I want to have options in my life and I want to support people who have the guts to work outside of the corporate world - but only to a point. I'll pay more if I know that a cause I support is represented by the seller - but again, only to a point. I will not buy cheap from a seller who represents a cause I can't support.
So as long as we know we aren't supporting an organization which is against us, or we know how paying more for 'US' goods is really benefiting us, beyond that any choice we make can't be called unAmerican. Ans since freedom is about the right to choose, any informed choice we make is American.
|made in china TREK||bear|
Sep 23, 2001 5:30 PM
|when I was shopping for an entry level bike I figure let me get the trek because all of them are about the same price and is made in american,,,oops wasnt,,made in china [treck 1000]
my airborne made in the USA, not really the airborne! frame is made in china and the components in japan, well not really,,,shimano parts are label A JAPANESS PRODUCT wish means that the parts can be made any where in the world.
the airborne is assemble in the usa so they can be call made in the usa. My children are born and breed in the usa and are call Spiks. Anyway giving a choice I buy american.