|Evidence that the Scattente Airplane is Italian?||nestorl|
Sep 18, 2001 8:40 AM
|Ok there was some discussion here in the past suggesting that while the Scattate Zonal was made in Taiwan, the Airplane was made at the Cinelli factory. It sure looks the same as the Cinelli Aliante (although the Aliante uses Altec-2+). When I talked to a guy at supergo he could not tell me but thought that both were made in Taiwan. Anyone knows some FACTS about this?????
I know that some Taiwan factories also make frames for other US and European Manufactors..anyone knows which bikes are also made in Taiwan? It seems thay are pretty good down there :-)Thanks.
|If a frame is imported it has to have a country of origin label||MB1|
Sep 18, 2001 8:52 AM
|if not call customs, they would be interested.|
|re: Does it matter if Scanttante is not Italian?||CarbonRide|
Sep 18, 2001 12:52 PM
|I did an internet search for Scattante yesterday and could not find anything on that company. I looked up Columbus and checked on their Airplane tubing and Carve carbon material. It looks as though Scattante is using the same materials and such that DeRosa and others use to make a $1850 frame.
Question, in relative terms, does the builder matter more than the materials being used? For instance; Does Columbus Altec2 bicycle tubing built by Cinelli, DeRosa, Waterford, GT, Colango, LeMond, or any one else with the same sizes and geometry etc. really make a difference? I know there are a lot of folks out there stuck on particular names and brands, but if possible I would like to hear objective opinions.
Sep 18, 2001 1:39 PM
|That is my point. If the frame is from Taiwan, then I am not surprised,... there are tons of great bikes that are made there and are by other companies. BUT if the frame is italian and made at the cinelli factory, then it clear that at least 1/2 of the price for a cinelli bike is due to the sticker that says cinelli! If this bike was made at their factory, it is possibly THE SAME as the cinelli version...just as when you go to the market and buy the generic (supermaket) brand of Chocolate milk...in reality you are buying the SAME (from the same factory) product with a diferent sticker... But more honestly...it makes me feel good that I paid 1/2 the price others paid for the same bike :-).|
|Scattante=road version of Acess||spookyload|
Sep 18, 2001 10:14 PM
|Supergo has the Acess line of bikes for mountain, and they aren't very bad frames. Decent welds, and a fairly good paint job. They ever so wanted to make a road version, so viola, Scattante. They knew road riders were a bit more snooty about names, and hardly anyone would buy an off brand road frame named after a mountain bike company, so give it an Italian sounding name and have you operators snowball the customers with vague answers, and you will sell frames. They told me it was an Italian company using Supergo to introduce their frames in the US so they could establish a market. That is why I didn't buy one. How many Italian frame makers use English threaded bottom brackets? Not many I would venture to say. It probably is a really good frame, but to be lied to by a mail order operator was unexcusable in my mind. Instead I went with a Giant TCR for the same price that isn't ashamed to let you know they are made in Taiwan. As for material being the same and quality being about the same, I give you Litespeed and Airborne. I work part time at a shop, and I see a lot more high end Litespeeds coming in with broken welds than I do Airbornes. Who out there has owned a Litespeed and hasn't had a crack at a bottle cage boss, or worse at the bottom bracket. And Airborne can't have as poor of cutomer service a Litespeed. They are a major hassle even for their dealers. That is why our shop dropped them. They would rather kiss the butts of mail order firms then deal with the piddly small shop who only sells a few frames a month.|
|Oh boy, here we go again. Litespeed vs. the rest...||Lone Gunman|
Sep 19, 2001 7:16 AM
|of the bicycle world. The shot has been fired.|
|re: Evidence that the Scattente Airplane is Italian?||jgd|
Sep 22, 2001 11:25 AM
|I believe the Scattante Airplane is made in Italy. The Scattante Zonal is made in Taiwan.|
|re: Evidence that the Scattente Airplane is Italian?||tmlecarner|
Sep 25, 2001 10:12 PM
|Both the Zonal and Airplane are made in Taiwan, trust me, I know...but they are exceptionally well made frames and you cannot beat the price...|| |