|Who's The Worst?!||JoeSlow|
Sep 14, 2001 5:37 PM
|I was just reading a post about a driver trying to take out a cyclist in an SUV...That got me to thinking about who is more of a threat to cyclists. When I'm out riding I find that fat overweight guys in SUVs are always out to try and take you out, Prolly cause they are jealous and cant ride around the block without getting out of breath! haha as are the teenagers in the "fast and the furious" honda civic wannabees, but thats only because they finally found a vehicle on the road that they are actually faster than haha. Older folks are pretty dangerous just cause they really arent aware of whats goin on. And dont forget the dreaded mini-vanz...they are as lethal as the SUVers, van packed with rambunctious kids and a parent more concerned with the yelling children than the poor guy on the bike next to them! hahaha I find that girls are usually the least dangerous. Call me crazy but I think they dig checkin out guys wearing cycling shorts. hahaha
Now that I pretty much took a dig at all drivers under the sun....let the fire begin =) haha
Did I forget anything?
Anyone want to add their experiences?
|A better question: who's good?||TypeOne|
Sep 14, 2001 9:55 PM
|I have to chime in with those stereotypes you listed. But honestly, every car is a potential threat and you just never know. They all suck! :)
My unscientific generalization is that drivers in Subarus are the most courteous drivers out there. I don't know why, but maybe the Subaru wagon is the car of choice of cylclists around here (lots have roof racks on 'em, which is a giveaway) or just the 21st century version of the VW van for the granola types in town. Whatever. It's just rare to see an aggressive or clueless driver in a Subaru, from my observation.
And no, I don't work for Subaru or even own one.
|Over the road 18 wheelers are the best||Dave Hickey|
Sep 15, 2001 4:01 AM
|Professional truck drivers are the best. They know exactly where their truck is at all times. I'm talking about the 18 wheelers with the sleeper cabs|
|A better question: who's good?||David Feldman|
Sep 16, 2001 11:07 AM
|Add VW and drivers of older-looking Volvos to that. I've never had a scary moment from a car that had Deadhead regalia or leftist/green stickers on it, either.|
|re: Who's The Worst?!||53x12|
Sep 15, 2001 10:14 AM
|This may sound funny. But those who have handicapped license plates have been the worst drivers. You think they would be cautious; being that they live with physical disability you'd think they would be careful not to put people in the same place they are in. However, they come flying by me inches from hitting me. It never fails. I know this may sound harsh, but this is my personal observation.|
|re: Who's The Worst?!||longfellow|
Sep 16, 2001 5:55 AM
|Yeah, same here. They are a menance.|
Sep 16, 2001 7:28 AM
|Seems like anyone can get a disabled plate around here... I know there are many "invisible" disabilities, but how many times do you see someone park in the primo sport only to saunter out of the car in apparent perfect health. I know of people who borrow/trade temporary disability tags- so I would argue that many of these people aren't THAT disabled (ie. the vast majority do NOT have adaptive equipment drive their vehicle).
In the US we really regard driving as a right, not a privilege. In some Euro countries it costs the equavalent of thousands of US dollars to obtain a first drivers license, and that functions as a deterrant NOT to lose it. Here the most rigorous screening appears to be the eye exam! (Even if you change your address, gotta take that eye test again!). I really would have no problem if a license cost $2000 initially, with a moderate renewal price. Compared to a lifetime of car payments, it really isn't much money, and vehicle tag prices and renewals should be based on a combo of gas mileage and vehicle weight... but I understand these views are un-American... if we really want to be radical, we should make all public transportation FREE (subsidized, of course... with the idea that if you want to get your money's worth, you better actually USE it once in awhile). I can't tell you how many times I've driven downtown and paid way more for parking than it would have cost to ride the bus.... and for no good reason!
Sep 17, 2001 8:27 AM
|Sickest driving related story I have ever heard: Heirs of the deceased (heirs NOT handicapped) fighting bitterly over who got the late sir/ms's handicapped parking pass!!!!|
Sep 15, 2001 3:53 PM
|The vehicles I fear most:
1. Drunk drivers
2. anything towing a trailer - big mirrors, wide trailers, difficult to manuever; landscape trailers particularly bad
3. male teenagers - prone to tossing stuff out the window at you and driving aggresively
4. folks talking on cell phones - frequently SUVs
5. senior citizens - I hate to generalize a group, which is unfair, but they seem to have a tough time dealing with us cyclists; refuse to pass, reaction time not good
6. kids on bikes - usually on the wrong side of road, prone to weaving upon approach
|You're probably not going to like my list.||nee Spoke Wrench|
Sep 15, 2001 4:11 PM
|Top of my list is males in their teens and early 20's.
Second is a peleton of road riders. Know the difference between an inconsiderate driver and an inconsiderate peleton? The inconsiderate driver makes a lot of noise before they pass within inches of my handlebar.
|Can't generalize SUVs-||filtersweep|
Sep 15, 2001 7:41 PM
|There are just too many of them! A high percentage have bike carriers (for their mtn bike- of course) on the backs, and they seem generally courteous. I've found BMWs and Mercedes to be a bit dicey- higher end model cars, and beat up imports and ghettos cruisers can be a bit dangerous, but it really does depend on the drivers. A lot of older drivers seem "afraid to pass" which causes a problem, because often they drive right along side me, and they are most prone to pull out in front of me (when they make a right turn where I have the right of way)- but this happens all the time when I'm driving... I won't even get into the race of drivers-|
|I'm leary, but||jagiger|
Sep 15, 2001 9:27 PM
|I had an old lady "white knuckle" on me. I was on the wrong side of the road, trying to make it to the right. She had 1.5-2.0ft to her left & she didn't budge. I kept slowing down, waiting for her to move. Eventually, I went down as I lost momentuem & shifted my balance before she side swiped me. If she was just nessin' with me, she probably had a good laugh.
Another time, I had a tractor trailer pass along side of me, way over the line. I'm saying "what the heck is he doing...". As he got further by, I see the red flag hanging off the pre-fab roof trusses! I gotta believe that the big rig drivers are "pros" who probably get as much hassle as riders. (I won't trust that maneavor to anyone with an SUV, especially with someone coming in the other direction.)
|They're ALL the worst...||Tig|
Sep 16, 2001 5:17 PM
|or at least you should consider them to have that potential. You have to expect each vehicle to do something dangerous. This keeps you defensive and alive. I got hit by one car too many in my lifetime! No, I don't ride paranoid or anything, just smart. I learned to ride alive from riding motorcycles on the road.|
|They're ALL the worst... Generalization||GW Rider|
Sep 17, 2001 9:03 AM
|I can not agree with you more. I don't think that there is any good that comes from generalizing a particular group. If a newbie comes along and only watches out for SUVs or BMWs then they are not riding safe. We, as a group, must ride safe and view all other users of the road as a potential threat, from cars, trucks, motorcyles, and fellow cyclists (hence the post about the earphone-wearing tourist).
Like Tig, I bring the skills and lessons that I learned from riding motorcycles to my road cycling. I also rely on skills learned from mtn biking and motocross. I do not ride "defensive", I try to ride on the offensive. I am the only one out there on the road that gives a rat's a$$ about my life. I take the responsibility for it. If it pisses a driver off for 15 seconds, then "oh well." I know that I can not control all possible occurences, but if I take control of the majority of them then I feel that I will be better off in the long run. One aspect of that is to view all motor vehicles as a possible threat and place myself in a position to be seen, heard, etc. and react in a manner that saves my life.
Keep the shiny side up and the dirty side down.
Sep 16, 2001 7:47 PM
|Winebago types, Bluebirds, Motor Homes,
5th Wheelers, Campers and Trailers.