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CYCLISTS 1, SUV OWNER 0(24 posts)

Sep 14, 2001 12:15 PM
Coming back from lunch and this older couple on road bikes are crossing the street left to right. This Jeep Cherokee a little in front of me, in the left lane, going about the same speed (I was driving) guns it and blares on the horn. I didn't have to slow down for this couple, and I was in the right lane, so they were of no consequence to this inconsiderate SUV. Adrenaline kicked in and I decided to follow this person and let them know that what they did was inappropriate. I think she (a twenty-ish women) figured out pretty quickly that she was busted because she tried to lose me on some side roads. She wasn't driving recklessly fast and I was able to catch her in her a driveway. I remembered the post were someone made the mistake of going onto the person's property, so I stayed in the car and yelled out the window to her. She hemmed and hawed about they shouldn't have crossed in front of her but she knew she was the one out of line here. She deliberately sped up to decrease their clearance. I politely, but sternly told her that cyclists have a right to the road and that in the future she should be more considerate. I pretty sure she got the point, she seems fairly scared because I had deliberately followed her and confronted her. Had I felt she physically endangered (my judgement call, please no comments) these people, I would of made a call to the Boulder police. I think calling her on her actions was enough to get the point across. Hopefully there will be one more driver now that will think twice about bullying a cyclist.
re: CYCLISTS 1, SUV OWNER 0raboboy
Sep 14, 2001 12:17 PM
Rock on.
Sep 14, 2001 12:46 PM
Sep 14, 2001 1:01 PM
It's rare to be able to confront drivers like that in a safe and reasonable fashion and see them recognize the consequences of their actions. Sadly, most of them, I'm sure, will simply rationalize their actions and go about being their selfish selves. Still, if that person decides to simply pass the next cyclist without incident, then you would have accomplished something worthwhile.
Sep 14, 2001 1:52 PM
Love to hear that stuff!!
There was a song on the radio a few weeks ago...a blues kinda thing, something about "you SOB's in your SUV's"..."driving 60 miles an hour to the stop sign"!
The whole song was about all the stupid crap you see them do.
Laughed my A$$ off!! Wish I caught the name of the singer.
Sep 14, 2001 2:53 PM
Great work, and I'm glad it didn't end with you getting hurt.
On a somewhat-related topic, I was going straight through an intersection yesterday when a woman in an SUV floored it to make a left turn in front of me, no turn signal, etc. We have all seen this. The light was green, so I think she just misjudged my speed, or maybe she didn't care...I don't know. I had to brake and veer right.
I could see the SUV's occupants for an instant, and I saw the female driver with her cell phone pressed to her right ear (not looking at me, of course) and a young child in a car seat in the back, with what looked to be a toy cell phone pressed to her right ear.
I was pissed, but when I saw the mother-daughter cell phone duo in the SUV, I began laughing. Classic. I wish I had a picture. Two generations of fools!
But its not just SUV'sUncleMoe
Sep 14, 2001 3:09 PM
I applaud your efforts. But lets not keep this focused on just bashing SUV owners. I see people in cars and pick-up trucks doing stuff just as frequently. Its funny to bash on SUV's because of there unnecessary popularity, but get real. Stupid drivers are in no way linked to the type of car being driven.
But its not just SUV'sDavid Feldman
Sep 14, 2001 3:54 PM
I beg to differ. Around my area, SUV's and larger pickup trucks are used by their drivers as dominance devices. This is more obvious when I'm driving (midsize Subaru wagon) than when I'm cycling. These amateur big-rig pilots like to gain lane spaces by bumper riding, even at well over posted speed limits. On another topic, THE BIGGER A CAR YOU DRIVE AND THE MORE YOU DRIVE IT, THE WORSE OF A TRAITOR YOU ARE!!!!!!! OSAMA BIN LADEN LOVES IT THAT WE DRIVE FORD EXCRETIONS AND CHEVY SUBDIVISIONS!!!!RAG-HEADED BOMB THROWERS WOULD NOT LIKE AN AMERICA THAT DROVE 40 MPG HONDAS AND RODE BIKES TO WORK. STARVE A TERRORIST, RIDE YOUR BIKES MORE. I WILL.
define SUV?Dog
Sep 14, 2001 5:20 PM
When does a car, especially a wagon, become a SUV? The weight, length, ground clearance? What's the difference? While Honda's and Excursions are at opposite ends of the spectrum, many in the middle are hard to discern. Some are not much more than cars raised up a few inches. Many of those that people label SUV's are smaller than some Subaru wagons. Any idea?

More racist crapkenyee
Sep 14, 2001 7:28 PM
I suppose I should make rude Jewish comments based on your last name?
And I noticed you didn't say what you drive?
More racist crapDavid Feldman
Sep 15, 2001 6:48 AM
This kike drives a Subaru Legacy, froom which I can look at the tops of a Ford Excretion's tires. I will be minimizing my use of this vehicle so as to minimize my contribution to bomb-building.
Sep 15, 2001 11:39 AM
Sep 16, 2001 3:38 PM
if you wanted to make a genuine contribution to fight the 'rag heads' - 'camel jockeys' - 'sand niggers' or whatever else you may call them down the synagogue Dave - then maybe you would use your bike rather than your Subaru - hypocrite
Sep 15, 2001 7:42 AM
Gotta agreejtolleson
Sep 15, 2001 12:01 PM
Not to revisit the previous fight about removal of posts/censorship, I do hope that any moderated board (which this claims to be) can at least exercise some discretion when it comes to use of racist slogans and racial epithets. I think Mr. Feldman overstepped here, not just in how he overgeneralized Arabs but in his use of a racial epithet to describe his own cultural identity... it is a tone thing better left for private conversation.

I lodged a complaint weeks ago about use of the "N" word in the RIDES forum but nothing was done.
Gotta disagreefiltersweep
Sep 15, 2001 7:34 PM
This wop disagrees... I don't see how he overgeneralized Arabs (just a sub-set)... and big deal about appropriating a "racial epithet" to describe one's own identity... "political correctness" gets us nowhere- it is fundamentally dishonest! You express what is "correct" despite how you feel? What good does that do? Might as well mobilize the thought police. If it were a personal attack, it might be a different story.
it's not acceptable - and it is a personal attackMJ
Sep 16, 2001 4:21 AM
to call people 'rag heads' - just like it's not acceptable to call people 'niggers', 'wetbacks', 'dykes', fags' or any of the other redneck-rush-limbaugh-listening-knee-jerk-militia-member-knuckle-dragging-mouth-breathing-idiot epithets

if you want to describe yourself - go right ahead - if you don't understand how different it is, particularly at this moment, to call yourself a 'wop' or a 'kike' and call someone ele a 'rag-head' - then you are staggeringly ignorant

'overgeneralizing arabs' requires a generalisation - calling someone a 'rag-head' is not a generalisation it is an epithet

I don't particularly think this is the forum for political discussions, it's about the bike, but I won't stand by while people use offensive references - I consider it a personal attack and I don't want to be subjected to it

you should get out more if you think objecting to how entire groups of people are referred to is 'thought control' - it's not political correctness - it's appropriateness - sometimes personal feelings should not be verbalised - because you can doesn't mean you should - racist ones should never be allowed to remain in a public forum where they offend

if you want to 'express yourself' (what are you a Madonna fan?!?) - then go to any of the websites for white supremacists that litter the web and discuss the 'rag heads' - you're racism is not welcome here though I doubt either one of you will be embraced in the white supremacist commuity either - that goes for you to Feldman
I have to agree - Gregg, get rid of these and othersDog
Sep 16, 2001 7:09 AM
Gregg, get rid of the non-cycling and vulgar posts, or many people are going to be run off. We come here to discuss cycling. I'm ashamed to be involved in the personal, political, non-cycling discussions. Things were much better when Linda ran the site; she paid attention to these and eliminated them. I'm getting so disgusted with the non-cyling discussions and vulgar language, and there must be many with similar views, that I may well leave and not return.

"Free Speech" is fine, but there are appropriate forums for everything. You can't stand up in the middle of church, a city council meeting, or a class room and just start talking about anything you want. There is a time and place.

Frankly, this road biking forum is a sanctuary of sorts, a place where cyclists come to discuss their passion for cycling, and maybe get away from the rest of the world's problems. We share that in common. Political issues are devisive. Right now, it's mess.

Things will not "work themselves out," as you suggested. The people who are knowledgeable about cycling, but can't stand the mess, may well leave. Do you want that? While an ideal world would have us be self-policing, it doesn't work. The board needs moderation, or it becomes a trashdump of the mind. There is absolutely nothing wrong with censoring the vulgar, hateful, and non-cycling posts. Your own rules permit that. Problem is, it will take some time and attention on your part, you will have to make some tough decisions, and some people won't like it. But, I think all would agree that the site will be better for cyling then.

Right now, it's ugly, and I want no part of it.

Doug Sloan
..still disagree...filtersweep
Sep 16, 2001 8:08 AM
My original point: there is a difference between calling all Arabs "rag heads" and calling terrorists "rag headed bomb throwers"- did anyone complain about calling the terrorists "evil" or "bastards" (in actual headlines?)- (I can certainly think of stronger terms with which to call terrorists.... as far as I'm concerned the "vulgarity" is directed at the "bomb thrower" in the original post in question- not at ALL arabs.

I agree that politicizing the issue causes things to drift off topic, but the fact remains that half the pickle the US is in regarding foreign policy in the middle east IS because of our dependence on mideast oil, and this has been publicly stated numerous times by various analysts in recent days.

Explain to me how this is a "personal attack" unless you yourself are a "bomb thrower"- It is ironic how the self-righteousness flares up in defense of the "bomb-thrower" but not about the crux of the issue raised by the original poster: the operation of gas guzzlers. Apparently that is a lesser issue, or non-issue altogether.

Miss my point? A guy makes a "vulgar" remark about terrorists and he's labeled a "white supremacist" by our thought police on this board- that's quite a leap! Where's the ignorance here, comrade?
the point is that none of this belongs hereDog
Sep 16, 2001 9:14 AM
Anyone can go debate racism, terrorism, whatever, somewhere else. This is a road cycling site. This isn't the place.

Sep 16, 2001 3:32 PM
it wasn't a vulgar remark just about terrorists now was it? - caling someone a 'rag headed bomb thrower' is the same as calling someone a 'murdering nigger', or a 'wetback rapist', or a 'fill in your own epithet criminal' - it's making a generalisation about a group of people based upon their cultural background - sure you don't mean all blacks are 'niggers' or that all hispanics are 'wetbacks' do you? are you honestly saying that it's acceptable for you to say, in the case of a black guy convicted of murder it's ok to call him a 'nigger murderer' cause he commited a crime? if it's not ok then it's not ok to call someone a 'rag head bomb thrower' - if it is ok then you'e on the wrong board. racist.

what is it - some people are rag heads and some people are arabs? some people are niggers and some people are black? some people are fags some people are homosexual? some people are dykes some people are lesbians? does committing an atrocity make it ok to call them something different? if you think it does then you are an idiot who's thick as two planks

there's a difference between terrorists and arabs, murderers and blacks, rapists and hispanics to use the above examples - (outisde of Northern Ireland) you don't hear people calling each other fenian bastards or proddy cunts do you? - are the IRA fenian bastards? or Catholic bastards? is the UVF proddy cunts? Orange fukwits? - no they're terrorists - just like the arab terrorists last Tuesday were just terrorists - not 'rag head bomb throwers'. idiot

if you want to say things about terrorists go ahead - by all means impress me with your witty put downs of people everyone wants to torture worse than that scene in Pulp Fiction - I'm sure we can all think of very nasty things indeed - hey we could have a contest! - nobody's gonna object to disagreeing with crime and terrorism in the strongest terms possible

re gas guzzlers and oil - I don't own a car, nor does my wife, nor do most of my friends - I commute everyday by bike as do a number of other people on the board as do most of my friends (for any number of reasons) - so you're preaching to the converted which is fine - how many times have we argued campy v shimano - double v triple? the old ones are the best ones - but Feldman crossed the line with the racist comments - a good point (but who's gonna argue here?) re gas isn't made better by racism - nor is it deserving of being treated as the holy grail of free speech. idiot - wrap yourself in the constitution when you're not talking about racism

it's a personal attack cause I don't want to be subjected to Feldman's (or anybody else's) racist comments - I don't understand how you would equate someone being a bomb thrower for objecting to inappropriate language/comments here - self-righteous - no I just don't want to see it

epithets and racist generalisations are vulgar - it is the stuff of white supremacy - it can not be allowed to stand unchallenged - it is wrong and you are wrong to defend it - why don't you go fire bomb some of those 'rag head' mosques if you feel so strongly about it?

I can't believe this post is still here - maybe if I download some porn we can (all) get rid of this (and your ignorance) and talk about bikes again
Sep 17, 2001 11:13 AM
...sorry for the late sweep up. Racial slurs or epithets are not allowed.

Unfortunately, we do not have a 24 hour moderator for this board. This means that offensive posts are removed as soon as we know about them.

Thanks, Gregg. nmDog
Sep 17, 2001 12:29 PM
thanks Gregg - nmMJ
Sep 18, 2001 12:39 AM