|Why is Dura Ace so much better than Record?||bEUFORD M. RADDISON|
Sep 14, 2001 7:04 AM
|Its even $400 cheaper. And lighter. And smoother. More effortless.|
|re: Why is Dura Ace so much better than Record?||tr|
Sep 14, 2001 7:18 AM
|It's not 400 dollar delta if you shop around. Smoother is debatable, i have used both shimano and campy. The difference in weight is in the noise level for most people. I wouldn't readily say that dura ace is better. There are some more factors in the comparison that you do not bring up and i will let the others mention these.|
|because it says Sh!tmano?||cyclopathic|
Sep 14, 2001 7:19 AM
|I am lost man|
|Ford or Chevy?||Jon|
Sep 14, 2001 7:54 AM
|The differences are marginal and largely perceptual. At www.bike.com on the Tech Talk page there's |
a very good article comparing the two lines. It's well done, complete,and informative. Check it out.
|It's time to unveil the secret.||MikeC|
Sep 14, 2001 7:54 AM
|It really depends on how elite the rider is.
You see, Shimano comes from Japan, where rice is a staple. Rice does not have quite the carbohydrate fueling potential of pasta (Italian, like Campagnolo), but it is therefore less likely to over-fuel a rider who is incapable of fully utilizing it. In other words, a rider who eats a lot of rice is less likely to get fat than a rider who eats a lot of pasta. Therefore, the rice-eater will be faster.
However, Cat 1 amateur and pro riders have finely tuned metabolisms and fuel demands which can fully utilize the energy potential of pasta. They don't get fat, so a pro-level pasta eater will be faster than a pro-level rice eater.
So that's why Shimano is more effortless for most riders, but Campagnolo is more efficient for elite athletes.
You may also be wondering about Mavic and the Mektronic system. Ever hear of "French" fries?
|Thank you, I needed that. (nm)||Chen2|
Sep 14, 2001 8:05 AM
|Finally! A scientific treatise that settles the debate!||Me Dot Org|
Sep 14, 2001 9:03 PM
|I haven't felt this relieved about something since Gary Coleman endorsed the Psychic Hotline!|
|re: Why is Dura Ace so much better than Record?||mackgoo|
Sep 14, 2001 8:22 AM
|I'm sure Sanford and Son's really like it. It fits their line of business just right.|
|Why is Chorus so much better than DuraAce?||C-40|
Sep 14, 2001 8:32 AM
|Chorus has 10 speeds, the shift levers function so much better, it looks better and it's cheaper.|
|Guess this is better than political debates? (nm)||LC|
Sep 14, 2001 8:47 AM
|It's not. nm||cioccman|
Sep 14, 2001 9:56 AM
|Question to cioccman||Tig|
Sep 14, 2001 5:05 PM
|What kind of Ciocc do you ride? I'm looking at a Ciocc EOM Carbon and need some input on Ciocc quality in general.|
Sep 14, 2001 6:36 PM
|I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the EOM model. I've ridden the Challenger and currently ride the 7005. I absolutely love it and felt it un-necessary to pay about $1000 more for the carbon stays on the Challenger. I don't recall what tubing is used on the Challenger, it might be the SC 6110. I'm happy with the 7005 tubing. It's really great. I believe it's triple butted. Could be wrong. The SC 6110 tubing might shave about .2 pounds total.
Quality of the Ciocc? Un-necessary to ask. Truly an incredible quality ride. For comparison, check out the Coppi KSC carbon. More expensive, but I don't know that it's worth it.
|because the cables stick out in the wind?||bike_junkie|
Sep 14, 2001 10:37 AM
|I mean, it looks sooooo clean! Plus you get one less cog, no carbon levers or rear mech. It's so obvious Beuford.|
|Actually, it's nice to beat this topic to death again..NM||k|
Sep 14, 2001 11:17 AM
|Because YOU said so, bEUFORD M. RADDISON. nm||bill|
Sep 14, 2001 11:21 AM
|Come On Guys, get real||non-sprinter|
Sep 14, 2001 11:36 AM
|Not necessarily is Dura-Ace better than Record or the other way around. They function differently, that's about it. the campy's are little notchy, but I feel they're more precise. The Dura-Ace is smoother. I like both, and have raced on both. I would happy to work either system. The key is to have a competent mechanic set either system. Then either system work like dreams.|
|This argument is ridiculous||WHOFU(KINCARES|
Sep 14, 2001 3:15 PM
|because races can be won on both ro lesser quality. I too have ridden all groups and have found good and bad in both. Campy people are passionate because of their groupos as their choice usually coincides with their love of Italian frames.
This purist ideal leads to the illusion of superiority of the product, but in reality the function and design is parallel to the japanese stuff. The aestheics is also in the eye of the beholder because many people prefer the more high tech look of Shimano. I ride whatever I feel like putting on the bike I am rideing. All high end groups are great SO ENOUGH WITH THIS RETARDED ARGUMENT.
|Ahh, that's more like it. Flame war on a familiar topic (nm) :)||Warren128|
Sep 14, 2001 3:31 PM
|LOL .... thanks for the absurd comment ..... ;) nm||JohnG|
Sep 15, 2001 8:34 PM
|Blindingly obvious.....||Tommy Kankerienan|
Sep 17, 2001 7:08 AM
|"Record" has only 6 letters, "Dura-Ace" 7, and a dash. So, when they carve the name on the parts, Shimano has a simply massive advantage in weight, due to the bulk of the metal removed.|| |