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how often do you see pics like this??(20 posts)

how often do you see pics like this??cyclopathic
Sep 13, 2001 6:30 AM
guess what frame
re: how often do you see pics like this??raboboy
Sep 13, 2001 6:33 AM
your chain is a bit unclean. :)
re: this is not my bikecyclopathic
Sep 13, 2001 6:39 AM
actually happened this year on BMB about ~480mi into ride..
is 480mi good excuse for unclean chain?
torque monster!Dog
Sep 13, 2001 6:37 AM
Must have really torqued those cranks. Well done.

Sorry, just feeble attempt at lightening the mood.

How 'bout them bikes ;)Delia
Sep 13, 2001 6:39 AM
Hey where did you get pictures of my old bike? Joking...just joking ....
I guess that I also would like to see a pic of the legs thatbill
Sep 13, 2001 6:43 AM
did that.
re: how often do you see pics like this??jaybird
Sep 13, 2001 6:49 AM
Must have been a Seven, Merlin or Airborne...
Yikes!!!!......please pass the warrantyjagiger
Sep 13, 2001 6:51 AM
A word to used bike buyers...the warranty is not fo your life time, as they are not transferable (at least not for the Cannondale I picked up....if they say "they'll take care of you", check the site 1st!).
Looks like a Moots, what is it? (nm)JS
Sep 13, 2001 6:54 AM
pull the cranks!alex the engineer
Sep 13, 2001 7:48 AM
..and send a pic of the other side. I don't see a clear origin of the crack on this side. Maybe the other side will be clearer. Could mean the difference between a warranty replacement or not!
no need.vanzutas
Sep 13, 2001 8:16 AM
Looks to me like it started right at the edge of the weld (heat affected zone). that is the weakest part of the weld and the crack goes right through it on the pictured side. Is it a butted frame or straight gauge tubing?
not so fast!alex the engineer
Sep 13, 2001 8:48 AM
the crack could've been directed along the edge of the crack. I see a dead-straight failure line there-looks like the crack "travelled" along that weld.
you're probably right.vanzutas
Sep 13, 2001 8:58 AM
If it started in the HAZ that is visible in that picture ther is probably no reason for it not to continue along that weld towords the back of the bottom bracket. Now I really want to see the other side of that frame.

Pull the crank, please!
unrevealed mysterycyclopathic
Sep 13, 2001 9:50 AM
no this is not my bike I can't pull cranks off and I haven't seen the other side but I am guessing it looks similar if crack goes around on that side too.

I can speculate on how the frame failed. Cues:
- frame is at least 10 years old
- if failed on downhill (rider ~190lbs was standing)
- there're many potholes in New England

as far as I know frame was warranted and I would expect it was replaced if customer service is smart enough. Frame possibly had a few hundred thousands miles on it. This is the price for ultra endurance riding: frames fail
Looks like a Seven? (nm)_blt_
Sep 13, 2001 8:37 AM
Not at 10+ years old. Maybe a Six? :-) nmMikeC
Sep 13, 2001 10:47 AM
Merlin actuallycyclopathic
Sep 13, 2001 10:55 AM
once again do not blame Merlin as far as I know that frame crossed States at least once ;-)
Is that a touring frame?Largo
Sep 13, 2001 1:47 PM
That would explain the triple, and perhaps explain the crack, that is, heavy loads+lots of miles.
Damn, and i thought Ti was forever!
Ti is an Uber metal, but even it has a fatigue limit.
frame is road..cyclopathic
Sep 14, 2001 6:09 AM
this is "brevet" machine, hence triples.
yes also called "light touring" oppose to "touring" with cantis and enough clearance to fit fenders and 30mm+ tires

Why triples?
imagine climbing 2,000' gain hill with avg grade 10-12%
then imagine doing it 5 times
then put it in the beginning, middle and end of 750miler
and you get an idea what is it like and why you need triples

Most brevet riders ride 10-15K (and I mean miles) annually and occasionally break frames.

Al, steel, Ti I have heard it all break either in BB area or headtube. More about Ti and steel this would be ~95% of all randonnee frames.

All Ti frames I have seen/heard broke around welds maybe because they're not heat treated like some Al or steel frames.

I have Reynolds 520 steel frame with 25 year warranty.
I commute on it.
I ride centuries.
I ride brevets.
I am afraid I'll use warranty some day
Odd; it doesn't look like CF :-)look271
Sep 13, 2001 4:01 PM