|Nathan Hale||paul j.|
Sep 13, 2001 12:14 AM
|Said " My only regret is that I have but one life to give for my country". I'm sure he was considered a terrorist in his time. However what is missing here is any discussion of why these people do these things. What drives people to give their lives for what they believe in? I do not condone what they did but I try to understand it because only through understanding can we come to any solution. Otherwise what have we learned? Nothing.....|
|I totally agree ...||bianchi boy|
Sep 13, 2001 4:14 AM
|See my post in Harlett's thread above, as I have been thinking along the same lines. Until we understand what motivates such terrible actions, I don't think we can find solutions.|
|re: Nathan Hale||John Evans|
Sep 13, 2001 5:17 AM
|He was not considered a terrorist in his time.
There was a war, he was a commissioned officer, he died in the service of his country. He did not kill civilians. I know this is not a political forum but this huggy feely lets just try to understand crap is what?s gotten us in this mess. If you don?t punish these thugs now it?ll only get worse.
Sep 13, 2001 5:21 AM
|as I've posted a couple of times. The motivations are beyond my comprehension.
|re: Nathan Hale||Lone Gunman|
Sep 13, 2001 7:05 AM
|It really is not that difficult to understand. We as Americans do it or have done it routinely. We call it Patriotism, at a time of war to volunteer for military service, you know going in (volunteering) if we are at war, you stand a chance of being killed in battle. These guys (bin Laden) take it to another level, the promise of martyrdom, a guarantee of death and afterlife. A firm unquestionable belief that this is true. Their war is the declared jihad, this is their version of patriotism, the targets have no distinguishable value. Hit Israel, hit America, do not pick and choose whether innocent targets are hit, make as big a splat as you can. The fight isn't over a piece of land or a commodity, it's over a belief system, a way of life.|
Sep 13, 2001 8:03 AM
|As nice a summing up as I've seen anywhere.|
|Has anyone read the Koran?||TypeOne|
Sep 13, 2001 11:52 AM
|I am sure this isn't what Allah has in mind. Or maybe I am wrong. Maybe there's a part where Mohammad killed a few thousand innocent people.
ANY belief system that can overtake a person to that degree makes that person dangerous.
|Not myself, but, actually, yesterday someone posted some||bill|
Sep 13, 2001 12:28 PM
|verses that certainly could be used to justify slaughtering infidels indiscriminately. But, I'm not sure that the Koran itself is the problem; heaven knows (so to speak) enough misery has been inflicted on the world in the name of Christianity at other times in history and even sometimes today -- didn't Timothy McVeigh at some point invoke God (not sure about that, but, certainly, the Klu Klux Klan does regularly, if you need a more solid example). Zealots are zealots. Most Muslims who have emigrated to the West are as horrified as anyone, and they are justifiably worried that they will be tarred with this crime. |
Of course, Mohammed himself sought to conquer through a fair amount of barbarism (prompting, as you will recall, the Crusades). Remember, also, though, that this was followed by the Inquisition and countless persecutions of Jews and Moslems and pagans and witches and whatever all in the name of Christianity.
I'm not sure that, from a long-view historical perspective, the moral superiority angle is all that clear, but zealotry must be contained, regardless of the history. At this point, it's about survival and preserving what we have, since someone else seems intent on destroying it.