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Cassettes (mix and match?)(20 posts)

Cassettes (mix and match?)Kristin
Sep 3, 2001 8:29 AM
I'm beginning to look at prices for a larger cassette. Question is, can I use cassettes from other gruppos, or do I have to stick with 9 speed?

(I was intending to ride my current 12-23 on the Hilly Hundred, and enforce the following rule upon myself: "Thou shalt not unclip." However, I've been informed of the tragic foolishness in that decision.)
re: Cassettes (mix and match?)Lone Gunman
Sep 3, 2001 8:55 AM
K,
Have you done the hilly before? I have once about 2 years ago and it got alot of hills and some long one's as well. Get a 12-27 cassette and you will use it that day (I think that is the largest rear cog that works with a standard cage derail) Otherwise, flatlander, you will be in for a long day. It is a pronounced difference in terrain from Chicago area in just a few 100 miles or so. I thought the ride was kinda redneckish myself, lot's of pickup trucks and people yelling at us all day to get off the road. Part of the problem might of been alot of MTBers all over the road, not holding a line and swerving into traffic etc. Fairly well organized.
12-234bykn
Sep 3, 2001 11:53 AM
12-23 will work, I did it 4 times on my old Specialized. But one needs to be in quite good condition. No way I'd try it now without my 12-27. I never had any trouble with auto traffic, what time of day did you ride? I always try to get out early to avoid the crowds (and it does get crowded, 5000 riders). It's fun to be finished, and watch the later starters fighting their way up that last hill by the golf course while I sit there drinking a cold beer.
12-23Lone Gunman
Sep 3, 2001 1:11 PM
I think I got started at a reasonable time 8:00 or so. It rained the day I went, heavily on the way down, and then just a light drizzle once there. I was solo and hooked up with a few youngsters who appeared to be riding as a group. They didn't have much road riding experience, and I should not have stayed with them. They were all over the road, couldn't hold a line (never even thought of the concept), and pace wise were like jack rabbits, speed up slow down when they came to a hill and etc. Otherwise a good route, challenging since I was a flatlander at the time.
12-234bykn
Sep 4, 2001 6:31 AM
1999 it must have been. I was there for '98 and had absolutely gorgeous weather. I missed '99 since I was in the hospital at the time. I have never been rained on , other than over night once, at the Hilly.
Nope, First TimeKristin
Sep 3, 2001 2:04 PM
I have no idea what to expect. A couple people who have been there heard about my little rule. "If I can't make it up the hill, I don't get the option to clip out, I fall over." Okay, dumb, I know...but motivation all the same. It worked for me once, though my pharinx constricted. I stayed conscious at least.

Since I don't know what to expect, its hard to gauge. I really suck on hills to begin with, so this is going to be a challenge. On the worst hills around here, I still end up in 39x12. In addition to hill training, I need to start riding 50 mile days back to back. It hurts just thinking about it. :)

I decided to give myself a break and get a 13-27 or 13-26 cassette, but if it has to say Veloce on it, I'm in trouble. Its gonna cost me like $100 bucks.
Nope, First TimeGregJ
Sep 3, 2001 9:42 PM
Excel sports has the 13-26 Campy MK-2 9 speed for 58 bucks. Colorado Cyclist has a Veloce 9-speed 13-26 for 33 bucks. Possibly just what you need. You will also need a cassette tool and chainwhip to install it yourself. I hope in your above post that you meant you end up in a 39-23 and not the 39-12 as you stated, otherwise this may explain your difficulty on the hills. BTW, I would avoid the 39-12 combo. I grew up in Illinois and used to ride the rolling hills in Southern Illinois every now and then, always enjoyed it. Last June I was back in the area for a visit and did some riding with an old friend. We went to the Land Between the Lakes area in Kentucky and camped for a few days and rode every day, it was an excellent area for road riding. He usually does the hilly hundred as he lives fairly close(Champaign), have fun.
Why stay out of 39x23?Kristin
Sep 4, 2001 6:03 AM
Yeah, I meant 39x23. I'm a bit dislexic and I still get turned around with things like this. Learning appeture on a manual SLR camera took 3 years to accomplish. Chain rings will take just as long. :-)

Now, I understand why I should stay out of 53x23, but not 39x23. Can you explain? I tell you, I NEED this gear!
Why stay out of 39x23?4bykn
Sep 4, 2001 6:27 AM
I believe what he meant was to stay out of the 39/12 combination, which is what you had erroneously posted. The 39/12 is a major cross chain gear and should be avoided.
39/23 good, 39/12 bad, 39/27 better!
So, is our wager on coasting downhill still on?
Doh!Kristin
Sep 4, 2001 6:44 AM
LOL See! Dislexia at its best. He said to avoid 39x12. I'm so confused...I need a drink! What's really fun watching me try to work the gears when I'm tired. I tend to move in the wrong direction. Not fun, if you're struggling up a hill and exhausted.

Yeah were still on! I'm looking forward to that drink you're gonna be buying me.
Doh!4bykn
Sep 4, 2001 8:28 AM
Just for your reference...I prefer imported european beers ;)
what have you got?Jack S
Sep 3, 2001 9:25 AM
As long as it fits on the hub and is compatible with shifters, it should be OK. Too big (wide range) though, and you might run into derailleur capacity issues. I am referring to Campy as I haven't researched, followed, owned or cared about Shimano stuff in over 15 years.
Veloce 9 speedKristin
Sep 3, 2001 2:06 PM
Everything is Veloce, and I kinda get the feeling that Veloce isn't compatable with anything else. Then there's the problem of making sure that its post circa 1998. I can find deals on 10 speed and 8 speed stuff, but the 9 speed stuff is just not as available.

Do you know what will fit on Veloce hubs?
Veloce 9 speedJack S
Sep 3, 2001 2:56 PM
Any Campy 9-spd will fit. The biggest made is 13-26.
Veloce 9 speedCliff Oates
Sep 3, 2001 3:14 PM
You can get 13-28 for Campy 9 speed too -- loose cog.
Veloce 9 speedJack S
Sep 3, 2001 3:20 PM
won't she need a long cage derailleur for >26?
Veloce 9 speedCliff Oates
Sep 3, 2001 4:11 PM
2001 Veloce derailleur has a 29t maximum. Chain wrap increases from 30 to 37 teeth by going to a long cage derailleur, but staying off the small-small combo makes that kind of moot. 2000 and previous Veloce double ders have a 28t maximum. Good thing I'm saving those old QBP catalogs...

Kristin will also likely need to add some links back into her chain if going to a 13-26 or 13-28.
Thanks for the info!Kristin
Sep 4, 2001 6:19 AM
This is great. I'm going to infer that Veloce went through some major transformation in 2000. Good to know, because that clearance 1998 Veloce is quite alluring. But if it don't fit...

Yeah, Kristin will need to add some links back in. She just removed two. But doing so mostly eliminated the problem of chain jams when exiting the 53 ring.
A little moreCliff Oates
Sep 4, 2001 6:41 AM
Campy made a big deal about the various product changes in 2001, but the veteran Campy wrenches mostly seem to be less than impressed. My guess would be that Veloce is now using the same design for the cage assembly as Daytona. I don't believe Veloce changed much, if at all, from 1998 to 2000, so buying closeout 1998 Veloce is not a lost cause. On the other hand, if you're buying new parts, 'tis a perfect time to upgrade...
Campy Veloce 13 x 28Rod
Sep 4, 2001 3:13 PM
Kristin,

You can use any Campy 9 speed gruppo cassestte, but you will save money with a Veloce and it will weigh a few grams more. Bike Nashbar has Veloce 9 speed 13 x 28 loose cog cassette for $34. You may not have a chain whip and locknut tool, so ask one of the nice cyclists you've met to help you change it. It's a pretty quick and easy job. This will help "flatten" out those steep hills.