|Colnago Classic vs Cinelli Supercorsa||brakee|
Aug 31, 2001 11:16 AM
|I am considering the purchase of a Cinelli supercorsa or a Colnago classic. I am going to choose one of these two framesets, of that I am sure. The Colnago uses zona tubing and the cinelli uses neuron. Which tubing is superior? I have heard that the Colnago ride is like magic. What about the Cinelli. Finish quality is important as well. Of the two, which is the best bang for the buck?|
|re: Colnago Classic vs Cinelli Supercorsa||upupupandaway|
Aug 31, 2001 12:10 PM
|neither is a bang for the buck. you mind as well go and buy an anchor to ride around. i think the money is better invested in lighter frames with better tubing.|
|i would buy a cinelli nautilus!||colker|
Aug 31, 2001 3:41 PM
|tig welded foco steel, columbus carbon fork, exquisite chainstays and breezer drop outs. columbus owns cinelli? |
the paint is hmmm... dubious taste but the finnish is tops. very light steel frame!
|I reckon the Cinelli is the best bang for the buck, however...||Dog Breath|
Aug 31, 2001 1:43 PM
|Neuron is a Columbus "Nivachrome" tube set. This is the type of steel Colnago uses in the Technos. Tommasini uses Neuron in their Sintesi (www.coloradcyclist.com). It is a modern, strong, reliable, light weight steel tube set. Expect the Cinelli or other Neuron frames to weigh around 3.8 lbs (only a few hundred grams more than many Ti frames!)
The Cinelli uses a better quality tubing and has more chrome and the graphics are subtle. Colnago is an expensive brand because you are paying Colnago for the frame and all of his sponsorship commitments. If you enjoy the look of the Colnago I would say purchase it, but the Cinelli offers more for even less money.
My own choice would be to purchase a Tommasini, or save up a few hundred more and buy the Colnago Technos. The Tecnos has nicer chrome and the higher quality Nivachrome steel tubing. You would probably be more satisfied with one of these two for a longer duration.
|I reckon the Cinelli is the best bang for the buck, however...||flying|
Aug 31, 2001 2:04 PM
I have been considering a Tecnos.
But I have also been looking at the CIOCC Com 12.5
How do you think these two tubesets compare?
The com 12.5 is actually lighter & about 500 cheaper.
All other things being equal.
|Comparing the Technos to the Ciocc||Dog Breath|
Aug 31, 2001 2:56 PM
|I am not familiar with the Ciocc.
The Ciocc appears to be constructed from a chromemoly tubing. (http://www.dedacciai.com/acciaio.htm#inglese)
It is relatively light and cheap. I suspect the oversize tubes may produce a stiffer frame than the Colnago but ride quality may suffer. The fork weight is comparable to a nivachrome steel fork.
The Ciocc model with tubing comparable to the Colnago Technos would probably be the DR01 with Dedacciai Zero Uno.
The best value in a Dedacciai Zero Uno frameset is the Moser Pro Evolution @ $695. www.redroseimports.com/rri_moser_b9_s.html.
Another choice would be the Basso Lotto at $625.
They are a good source for closeouts on steel frames.
|Comparing the Technos to the Ciocc||flying|
Aug 31, 2001 3:12 PM
|Thanks for the links.
I will take a look. Yes I wondered about the OS downtube & how it would affect the frame of the ciocc com 12.5
How does the Zero Uno on the DR-1 compare with the com 12.5?
It has been 12 years since I bought a frame. BAck then it was columbus SL, SLX etc. Pretty confusing now ;-)
Funny you mention the Moser. It was my 1st choice but they are out of my size 53 c-c.
Thanks again for all the tips!
|more comparisons and a Neuron bargain?||Dog Breath|
Aug 31, 2001 3:45 PM
|I think that com 12.5 is relatively new. A shop could advise you on its characteristics hopefully. Suspect that it might be designed with tig welding in mind since lugs are disappearing fast.
I have been told that Zero Uno is similar to Columbus EL OS. I have owned and ridden both and would agree. Aprox 300 hundred grams more than an unpainted Ti (and you get chrome and lugs!) stiff, responsive with a nice ride. www.torelli.com thinks highly of EL OS. IMHO unless you are going to be riding up and down mountain passes for six hours at a time Zero Uno and ELOS are the best choices.
Nueron seems to be a great value. Check out www.labicicletta.com. They have Rossin lugged Neuron frames with Max fork (Fire Pista) for $495US!
|Tube references||Dog Breath|
Aug 31, 2001 4:31 PM
Aug 31, 2001 8:27 PM
|Thanks DB those are great links.
I really wish someone would do like a spreadsheet showing what is equal to what ie: Columbus xxx = Dedaccia xxx etc.
But that Strongframes site is close enough.
Aug 31, 2001 9:11 PM
|PS: The stronglight page is better than good enough!
I just looked at the pricing page & that is just what I wanted. Someone to group the equal sets together.
Thanks for the great link DB!
|Great! One Correction and yet steel link.||Dog Breath|
Sep 1, 2001 12:03 AM
|They have Neuron listed as Cyclex. The main triangle is nivachrome, the chain and seat stays are cyclex.
|That's an old URL for Strong||Cliff Oates|
Sep 1, 2001 6:04 AM
|Don't go by the prices shown on that web site. The current Strong web site is here: http://www.strongframes.com. He really ought to take the old one down.|| |