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Dog: Are you off the bike completly?.........(28 posts)

Dog: Are you off the bike completly?.........Len J
Aug 30, 2001 4:21 AM
or are you able to train enough to preserve your base fitness?

How long are you "laid up"?
What's your plan now?

Is the 508 out completely?

It must really suck now...are you OK?

Len
<font size="=+1" color="000000">life is unfair</font>Dog
Aug 30, 2001 7:51 AM
I rode with my wife on the tandem with flat pedals, using my stiff, but flat soled "casual" type bike shoes, and keeping my heal on the pedal rather than the ball of my foot, and didn't ride hard. That pretty much sucked, except for the mere fact of being on a bike.

So much preparation has gone into this 508 race. Tons of miles, events, money, time, reconfiguring bikes, time, time, time... and now I may not be able to do it. It's driving me crazy.

Plus, my wife is about to have my head. She does not understand obsession, even if for a worthy goal. It's almost to the point of "the riding or me." So, I'm taking the downtime opportunity to bank up some time with her.

I've gained 5 pounds in a week, not riding as much. It seems your body turns into a big sponge when you ride lots. This is frustrating.

Anyone have some advice for dealing with family when you want to ride hundreds of miles a week, do lots of out of town events, and have several expensive bikes in the garage? How do you other fanatics deal with this? Is this sport, at least the extreme fringes of it, reserved for the single or the married-to-another-cyclist types?

Thanks.

Dog
gotta decide on your prioritiesJack S
Aug 30, 2001 7:58 AM
it's YOUR choice
Have you ever thought about turning pro? (nm)Kristin
Aug 30, 2001 8:01 AM
too old, way too slow nmDog
Aug 30, 2001 8:50 AM
Doug...MrCelloBoy
Aug 30, 2001 9:33 AM
I'm sorry to hear about the problem.
You're feeling sorry enough for yourself so I won't add to that. My suggestion would be to keep letting go of the loss and find some enjoyment in your relationship with this woman you're partners with for reasons you know.
I know that I'd be bummed too if riding were taken away for any amount of time, but there must be other reasons to keep on enjoying the beauty in life.
ChoicesJon Billheimer
Aug 30, 2001 8:07 AM
Dog,

I've been married for 35 years and faced a lot of the same issues both with respect to work, showing horses for
years, running, and cycling. Face it, some of us are very driven, obsessive personalities. After a certain point
there really is no compromise if your spouse doesn't share your interests and drive. Sorry, but that's the way
it is. Wives and families do have their own legitimate needs and points of view.

My own "solution" after years of fighting and misunderstanding has been age and maturity on both my and my wife's
part. Getting the kids grown up helps too. At this stage we have both accepted one another, each have our own
interests, support one another's interests, and are best friends. But this took a lot of time, suffering, and
patience. I'm really sorry that I don't have any solutions or suggestions for you, except for you and your better
half to honestly and compassionately state your needs, wants, and ambitions to each other. If some understanding and acceptance can be reached, then that's probably the best of all
possible worlds. If not, then ya gotta make some painful choices.

BTW I sympathize like crazy with your dilemma. Hope things work out.
Doug, have patience.raler
Aug 30, 2001 8:09 AM
Just got over 6-7 weeks of no riding. It was really tough for someone that rides nearly everyday. Luckily, the Tour was on for the first 3 weeks of my sentence. That helped. It gave me time to reevaluate and set some goals.

Its a major bummer when youve put that much time into something and then not being able to do it. Lifes a test.

You can maybe use this time (6 weeks?) for mental training. Just like 500 miles is mentally tough, this will be too.

SPend time with your wife. Girls need that.

Dont push it. Just take the sentence and let it heal. Trust me you dont want to prolong the healing.

A big rest is good for the body. There are many examples of this, I can only think of Jalabert right now.

It could be much worse!
Why are you selling your bikes?Jiggy
Aug 30, 2001 8:09 AM
Did I miss something? or do you have more than one C40 and EV2?
Why are you selling your bikes?Dave
Aug 30, 2001 1:12 PM
I saw 'em too, on the MidCalRacing site right? But now the link is gone. What gives? Is there another with a Colnago C-40 geo and celeste Bianchi with Ksyriums? I was kinda thinkin' about one of 'em.
Why are you selling your bikes?Dog
Aug 30, 2001 2:53 PM
I was preparing for the worst, as my wife all but said get rid of the racing bikes (could keep the Milano and 1980 Bianchi). She got over it, but I didn't pull the web page fast enough. It's a mess.
<font size="=+1" color="000000">Maybe this is a blessing.</font>Len J
Aug 30, 2001 8:17 AM
you being layed up now. I can only imagine how much it sucks, knowing how much effort you have put into this. But if your riding has put half as much pressure on your marriage as it sounds, maybe time to reassess priorities is not a bad thing. (I'm the type that will never deal with the big problems until I get hit in the head with a 2X4) Maybe this injury is your 2X4.

I feel like I'm a bike fanatic also, however I may be a 7 on the fanatic 1 to 10 scale, where I think you are closer to a 9.5. At a 7, I am able to balance work, marriage & riding pretty well. For me, I have had to listen closely to my wife and know when I need to choose to skip a ride in order to value our marriage. I have also needed to see this as my choice in order to not resent her asking for the time. As a result of a lot of conversation, my wife understands that my cycling passion is part of what makes me me. She's OK with that. Where she has a problem is when she feels like she is not important enough to me for me to choose to value time spent with her. We have worked hard at trying to balance the two. Was she happy that I spent 10 days riding without her in Alaska, No way. Did she understand my need to do it. Absolutly. Is she confident that I value her enough to spend quality time with her now that I'm back. Again absolutly.

It sounds to me like your Wife cares enough about you and values being with you enough to tell you what she needs. The ball is now in your court to choose to either work out a balance that values both priorities in your life, or choose one over the other. I know it sucks, but at least for me the choice resulted in many gifts. Part of what makes me me is being a partner to my wife. How much of you would you lose if you choose Biking only? Only you can answer that.

I wish you the best.

Len
<font size="=+1" color="000000">life is unfair</font>Crash
Aug 30, 2001 8:23 AM
Dog, I am very fortunate in that a lot of our friends golf, and my wife knows how much THAT costs ! As long as my bike costs don't go above that level, and I'm still spending more money on my kids activites than my own, I'm OK.
Also, when I ride on the weekend we try to get going by 6:30 - 7:00. I'm back in 2 - 3 hours and I don't miss that much of the day. I try to squeeze in an hour ride after work 2 - 3 times during the week after work, but I'm still home by dinner. This takes time, but I don't hang out in bars or go to a lot of sporting events either. My wife really likes that I spend my free time biking. Much healthier than other alternatives ! (although if I was gone most weekends doing events it might be a different story).
Trade offszelig
Aug 30, 2001 9:17 AM
DOG, don't know how long you've been married but I think you both knew what you were getting into beforehand. I was riding/racing before I got married. Day job had long hours and still does, with evenings for training and weekends for races. The not going out on Friday nights was a bit of a sore point but you learn to manage around these things. Twenty-six years later and not much has changed except I don't do the heavy miles anymore although I filled that time and more by brewing beer from grain (not in the UK, I mean why bother?). My wife rides but as in not seriously or frequently although she's been to plenty of bike races, knows enough about the racing scene to hold her own in conversation and will watch Giro, TDF and Vuelta highlights for every stage. She was blown away when we went to Paris to see Lance arrive at the end in Yellow. But as she says, "I like to enjoy my surroundings when I ride and you like to keep your head down, go fast and blow snot." Uh, that is unfortunately correct.

Other than the usual talk it out suggestions what you might try is a long weekend away, as in no bike, every couple of months to a nice spot. Based on your bike/component consumption and day job, cost is not going to be an issue and you'd be surprised what a nice hotel, a few dinners, doings things together and time off the bike can buy. It works well for me. As you would yourself would probably say, you're not being paid to ride but doing it for the enjoyment so try to keep riding in perspective with the rest of your life.
<font size="=+1" color="000000">life is unfair</font>nestorl
Aug 30, 2001 9:21 AM
>>>>Anyone have some advice for dealing with family when you want to ride hundreds of miles a week, do lots of out of town events, and have several expensive bikes in the garage? How do you other fanatics deal with this?

My dog is pretty much OK with it. :-)
I missed something...what is the injury?PaulCL
Aug 30, 2001 9:25 AM
Maybe I can't find the post, but what happened?? What's the injury??

I wrecked a few years ago and was off the bike for eight weeks. All I can suggest is to catch up on family time, do some yardwork, and buy a punching bag (to get rid of your frustrations).
I missed something...what is the injury?Dog
Aug 30, 2001 9:32 AM
foot (metatarsal) stress fracture
Ouch!PaulCL
Aug 30, 2001 9:45 AM
Not that I've had that injury, but one recommendation: don't push it. Listen to your doctor. Much to my chagrin,and on more than one occasion, I have pushed the healing envelope and re-injured myself. Seperated shoulder, pulled biceps muscle, pulled hamstrings, elbow tendinitis, torn knee cartilage, etc....I've done 'em all. It is my instinct, and probably yours, to accept some pain/discomfort and get on the bike too soon only to re-injure yourself.

Look at this time as a vacation with your wife. Go to the gym, swim, etc. to work off the energy. Good luck. Paul
Little old lady story ...Humma Hah
Aug 30, 2001 12:24 PM
Gibby was about 92 when, on a visit back to her home in Ireland, she tripped on a curb, fell, and broke her leg. The doctor said she would need 6-9 weeks in a cast before she could travel.

"Poo," said she, "My plane for the States leaves in 3 weeks. The cast comes off then, and I'll be fine."

And she was. At this point, I should tell you that, in the 40 years following her internment in a Nazi prison camp, she'd not been sick a day in her life. Tough little leprechaun, and I'm proud to know her.

Here's wishing you her kind of healing!
Now that I'm divorced ...Brian C.
Aug 30, 2001 9:50 AM
... there's plenty of time for riding. But you don't want to go there if you can help it. I miss the kids in the middle of the week. (By the way, the Big D wasn't about the bike.)
Injuries are part of riding....DINOSAUR
Aug 30, 2001 10:05 AM
Doug,

I guess I missed something, I've been off the computer for a couple of days.

Actually I could see this coming. It happens to the best of us. I used to be an obsessive distance runner. I literally ran myself into the ground. I developed achilles tendonitis and I ignored it, and eventually I tore the tendon off of the bone. I have bursitis in my heel that bothers me to this day.

Sometimes, believe it or not, injuries allow us time to stop and reflect. When I had my very serious crash last year I thought very seriously about not returning to the sport. The guys on the old Bicycling Magazine forum gave me a lot of support and advice. One of which is still very vivid. I thought about what I enjoyed most about cycling. To me it was the great experience of merging into machine and one, and the feeling I get when I am outside in all of natures splendor. Sometimes I just get on my bike with no set route or milage, I just take off and do stuff at the spur of the moment.

Just be like a cowboy; get up, dust yourself off, get back on and start riding again.

Aim a little lower. Think someday you will be retired and you will have to deal with having an old body and a 24 year old mind.

Learn to compromise with your wife. Somethings take priority and marriage is one of them. I'm blessed as my wife fully supports me, then again I don't ride nearly the milelage that you do.

Keep us posted and hang in there.

Ed (Dino)
Find Joy In The Things That You Do Have -- And You Do Have A LotGreg
Aug 30, 2001 10:39 AM
Yes, suffering a an injury does suck. A big one. From all of your posts this year, it sounds like you've had a real roller coaster existence, with the death of your law partner, etc. But, ya gotta remember all of the things that went RIGHT this year:

- you have a wife and family that cares for you;

- you have a roof over your head, and some beautiful bikes in the garage;

- you have the physical gifts to seriously consider undertaking something as arduous as the 508 NEXT YEAR.

And, who knows, maybe this time off of the bike will turn into a real gift. It certainly will force you to take a look at how riding was fitting (or not fitting) into your life -- did you ride the bike, or did it ride you? I'm guessing here, but the injury that you have (stress fracture in the foot) sounds like it was caused (at least in part) by training a bit too much. Does that say something?

Your present grumpiness and bummed disposition is partly a physical reaction to the fact that your body misses the high level of exercise. You probably know that fact already, but the rest of the family might not.

As far as making the cycling-thing work better at home, the best thing that I can recommend is sit down with the wife over a nice bottle of wine and talk it over with her what you would like to accomplish in the coming year and what the time commitments would be. In turn, listen to what she would like to accomplish during the year, and what her expectations are. Be realistic with your plans and the time that it will take to achieve your goals. Is it realistic for a 40 year old full-time litigation attorney with a family to train for RAAM? Could be. But, sometimes, what you want to do just won't work without some changes...like my goal of establishing an all-Yiddish speaking Canada. Too much travel. If riding RAAM or whatever is still a burning "just gotta do it" priority, it is probably easier to swap a career than it is to swap loved ones...

And if this all blows up and you chuck it in, can I have your C-40?
<font size="=+1" color="000000">life is unfair</font>tr
Aug 30, 2001 11:08 AM
Your wife understands you more than you realize or she wouldn't have been out on the tandem with you. To make some points, during your down time do a home project etc. that she would appreciate. I just spent the whole summer not being able to ride with a herniated disk, so i feel your pain man. These guys are right, you need to be very careful and "walk the line carefully" when you come back, otherwise you will be sorry and upset at yourself with more down time. You don't want constant problems with the foot, so hold yourself back (seems impossible i know). After this summer of no bike, i realize how much i enjoy it every day. During my down time i learned how to "smell the roses" so to speak. Build some wheels, overhaul the bikes, and do some stuff you want out of the way when you are back at full speed. Most important, relax yourself mentally and eat right. There are plenty of miles ahead.
<font size="=+1" color="000000">life is unfair</font>Shad
Aug 30, 2001 2:13 PM
Sorry about the injury Dog,

Don't ignore the problem because it won't go away on its own. Once a woman makes up her mind she's gone, she's gone. Then you will really be depressed. I lost the love of my life by burying my head in the sand and ignoring her needs. It would be nice to meet a female cyclist, but perhaps the next best thing is to buy a moped? She could keep up, carry a picnic lunch cooler, and you could even motor-pace. I read this is what Odessa Gunn has done for some of the posties including her husband Levi. Maybe not the picnic part though, that's my idea for enjoying your ride and your wife all at the same time. This idea is worth what you paid though. I may just be a George Costanza who wants to combine food, sex and TV all together for the ultimate experience.

Of course, heal first. Perhaps hit the gym and do leg extensions and circuit training to work the heart a little?

Shad
Apple Valley, MN
(A place where winter can force you off the bike onto boring rollers.)
Rest, and a question on your alignmentpeloton
Aug 30, 2001 10:24 AM
Make sure you let yourself heal before you jump back on. I know it sucks, but it's better than having the injury not heal quickly or even worse become a chronic problem. I've injured myself a few times over the years, and a couple of times didn't give myself enough time to heal before I jumped back in. The only things that I ever got out of coming back too early were re-injuries and tendinitis. Concentrate on healing so that you can concentrate on riding once you are well again.

I have a question too, dog. Have you ever considered, or do you use a custom orthotic footbed in your cycling shoes? A lot of times stress injuries can be traced to alignment issues. Perhaps an orthotic could provide a better base for you in order to prevent injury in the future. With the amount of miles you speak of putting in, it would be a worthy investment. Have you ever thought of this before? I know from ski racing that I can feel changes in alignment as small as one eigth of an inch under my foot on one side or the other. It's amazing what a difference having your skeleton aligned properly can make. Proper alignment can also help to reduce the rate of injury, and the footbed would support the weight of your foot more efficiently.
correction, I should re-read my postspeloton
Aug 30, 2001 10:27 AM
I didn't mean one eight of an inch (that's huge), I meant one eight of a degree. It shows how subtle canting can be.
correction, I should re-read my postswhygimf
Aug 30, 2001 11:16 AM
Peloton,

You can 'feel' one layer of duct tape (1/8 degree) in your canting alignment?!

Wow....
try thispeloton
Aug 30, 2001 1:01 PM
You would be amazed at how sensitive your balance is to very subtle changes. One way I've seen quite a few people find proper heel height over the years for a footbed is to use a book's pages under the heel to feel for balance. What you do is to stand in a comfortable, athletic stance. Have someone else add about 10 pages of the book at a time under your heel. You will be able to feel when your balance is right. Your bones will feel 'stacked right' if you will. You will feel like that is where you would want to be to move in an athletic manner. That is roughly where your heel height should be for the footbed. It may go the other way for you too in some ways. Maybe you need a negative ramp angle (toes higher than heels)! After you have found what feels right for you, add or take away five pages. You will be amazed at the difference you feel. Your balance, your ability to move will feel compromised. Your balance is a sensitive thing, and your body knows best what is balanced for you. Think of how thin five pages of a book is. I bet you can feel it though. The thing is that it may be just a small amount under one part of the foot, but by the time it gets to the end of the levers that are attached (your legs) it is a much larger distance. Think of putting a 2x4 on end standing tall. Put a dime under one side of the end. Measure how far the top of the 2x4 has moved. Subtle below, quite a distance above. Alignment is a very cool thing for increasing your performance. You can change your roll, yaw, leg length, or ramp in order to get different results. It's also different for person to person, and you have to think of the whole package- hips, back, knees, ankles, leg length and experiment to get personalized results that work best for you. It's a really fascinating subject if you are into sport science at all, and it really can help to boost performance and decrease risk of injury. Play with it for yourself. You would be amazed at how refined your balance really is.