|Shimano Vs Campy 10spd||joeg26er|
Aug 28, 2001 7:38 PM
|Well, you asked for it and coincidentally I wanted to know. |
Does the Campy 10 spd rub in a bunch of gears - this would be really annoying to me.
I have seen an Ultegra 9 spd that rubbed in the extreme gears - is this "normal" ?
God I hope not...
Thanks for any info dudes.
|re: Shimano Vs Campy 10spd||Vlad the Impaler|
Aug 28, 2001 7:52 PM
|I have Daytona 10-speed on my ride and have had no problems with rubbing. The front derailer is non-indexed, meaning it has 8 positions you can "click" it through when shifting so it's easy to fine tune while riding. If everything is tuned correctly you shouldn't have any problems.|
|Oh, oh ...||bianchi boy|
Aug 28, 2001 8:07 PM
|You've started it now. Campy vs Shimano.
I've got Chorus 10 on one bike, Ultegra 9 on the other. I like them both but prefer Chorus.
With Ultegra, the chain always rubs the front derailleur when it's in the small ring and 12, 13 and 14 cogs. Drives me crazy. Why call it a 9-speed when you can really only use 6 of the gears? It doesn't "trim" very well. It also had a nasty habit of occasionally throwing the chain when shifting from big to small chain ring, a problem solved by installing a "chain watcher." On standing climbs, the BB creaks. On the plus side, Ultegra shifts so smooth and effortlessly. Shifters are a little easier to use than Campy.
The Chorus takes more effort to shift but is much more precise. It has never missed a shift or thrown the chain. It shifts with a satisfying clunk each time. I can use all of the gears without the chain rubbing, but I, of course, avoid the deadly big chainring/biggest cog or small chainring/smallest cog combinations. I can stand and climb without the slightest creak from the BB.
|Which is lighter?||joeg26er|
Aug 28, 2001 8:17 PM
|Which group is lighter? |
How long have you used your Chorus group?
|Which is lighter?||bianchi boy|
Aug 29, 2001 4:12 AM
|Chorus is marginally lighter than Ultegra, maybe 100-200 grams. I've had my Chorus group for 3 months, 1500 miles. Ultegra group developed its quirks within that same timeframe.|
Aug 28, 2001 8:46 PM
|your Shimano problems sound more like adjustment/chainline problems.|
|Probably so ...||bianchi boy|
Aug 29, 2001 4:14 AM
|But I've got a pretty good mechanic at my LBS and he hasn't been able to adjust them out. It's possible the front derailleur might be a little off because the previous owner had a problem that supposedly was fixed.|
|Does yours work without rubbing?||DCP|
Aug 29, 2001 5:21 AM
|By that I mean, in a Shimano 9 speed, can you use all three gears on the opposite side of the chainring you are in without front DR rub? I can't with my year 2000 105. I also agree that the front DR trim works poorly, but also admit I haven't taken it to the shop to have it looked at.
Someone may tell me that I really shouldn't be trying to use extreme cross gearing. I know that, and I don't use it much, but for the last few yards of a rise or descent, it would be nice to have it for a short time and use it in lieu of a front DR shift. I really don't much care that I might have to change the chain and cassette a little sooner if I do so.
|re: Shimno vs Cmpy 10 9vs10=1 Simple math God laid rules (nm)||cycleguy|
Aug 28, 2001 8:29 PM
|Heard Shimano's Bringing Ten Soon||joeg26er|
Aug 28, 2001 8:33 PM
|I heard from an industry source that Shimano is bringing 10 spd drivetrains in next year. |
You heard it here first...
|not really, .... very old rumor! .... nm ;)||JohnG|
Aug 28, 2001 8:34 PM
|Do You Really Need All Those Gears?||joeg26er|
Aug 28, 2001 8:46 PM
|Do you REALLY need all those gears? |
Those of you who have switched to 10 spd - was there a big enough improvement in anything that made it worth the cost?
Aug 28, 2001 8:52 PM
|You can never have enough gears.
I'm lusting after an 11 speed! Should be quite possible with 135mm dropouts. I'm thinking about 'ginning' one up actually.
|exactly what kind of difference?||joeg26er|
Aug 28, 2001 8:57 PM
|What kind of difference did you notice? |
What kind of tangible benefits?
How much faster did you go?
I am really wondering if the cost is justified somehow.
|exactly what kind of difference?||JohnG|
Aug 28, 2001 9:17 PM
|I'll probably get slammed for this but I think having a straight block 12-19 + 21, and 23 helps me significantly when I'm riding at 'my' limit. I.e. Having the right gear is sometimes the only thing that keeps me from exploding. That's my somewhat subjective answer.
The days of 9 are 'history' and the days of 10 will be 'history' in a couple of years max.
|exactly what kind of difference?||Breezydz|
Aug 29, 2001 5:32 AM
|I'm with you, the more gears I have on the straight block the happier I am. The small differences in the gears I use on easy terrain help as much as the granny gears because I use them so much more.|
Aug 29, 2001 4:21 AM
|In my case, I justified the 10-speed as a way to avoid installing a triple. My Chorus has a 13-29 cassette so I've got most of the climbing gears I would get with a triple, with none of the hassle. The difference in cost was worth it to me because I think the Chorus will hold up better over time, from feedback I have gotten from others. To be honest, you don't really notice that extra gear most of the time, but it sure is nice having that granny gear when you hit a monster hill. The other thing is that 9 of my gears are USABLE in a given chainring with my Chorus group, while only 6-7 are usable with Ultegra. So it's really like having at least 4 more gears.|
|Not really||Mel Erickson|
Aug 29, 2001 5:55 AM
|You've got 14 different gear ratios with a 9spd cassette and 15 with a 10spd assuming a typical 12-23 9spd 53/42 chainring setup and 12-25 10 spd 53/42, the rest are basically duplicates (within two gear inches of each other). The ideal shift pattern is the same because the 10spd cassette has the same gears and simply adds on a 25 at the end. I can go up to a 53/21 and down to a 42/13 with my Ultegra with no chain rub. In fact I can drop down to a 42/12 and up to 53/23 with no front rub but I don't do it because of the wear factor and general annoying gear chatter. Other cassette setups show similar results. That granny gear can be valuable and I'm not discounting a 10spd cassette.|
|MUCH better for cruising||ColnagoFE|
Aug 29, 2001 6:33 AM
|I always have the right gear with my 12x25 10 speed, but with my old 12x26 9 speed there were definate gaps in the gearing.|
|Do You Really Need All Those Gears?||Big Mig|
Aug 29, 2001 9:46 AM
|I made the switch from 9 to 10. I think that there is an improvement, maybe slightly, but still an improvement. I have a 11-23, and a 12-25 cassette, the gear ratio's are so close, I sometimes wish I had a Ergo brain computer on my bike so I know which gear Im in.|
|shouldn't be riding those gears anyway||ColnagoFE|
Aug 29, 2001 6:31 AM
|but even if you do the campy is trimmable in front and thus doesn't rub. better to avoid those combos though.|
Aug 29, 2001 10:48 AM
|I shouldn't be using 39/13-14 in a 12-27 cassette? I can see not using the 39/12 combo, but I can't understand avoiding the 13, 14 gears. Why have 9 speeds if you can only use 6 of them? There is some replication in gearing with my set up, but who shifts back and forth between their chainrings to achieve the perfect step up or down in gears? I tend to keep it in one chainring as long as I can and then shift up or down as needed. Ideally, I would like to buy another rear wheel w/ a 12-25 cassette and then I would have much closer gearing for my typical rides. But, if I gotta have just one cassette, I'll take the 13-29 so I'll be prepared for the big climbs.|
|No, dont go beyond the 16 on your 39.||raler|
Aug 29, 2001 11:04 AM
|Too much cross chaining.|
Aug 29, 2001 11:36 AM
|I usually shift to the big ring when I'm within 3 gears or so of the smallest cog in rear. Same going up. Saves wear and tear on the drivetrain. Sure when you are racing it is often handy to crosschain in the big ring, but for recreational riding it's best to avoid those combos IMHO anyway.|
|3x9=27 vs. 2x10=20 Ultegra is the only alternative for touring||Chris Zeller|
Aug 29, 2001 7:12 AM
|You can argue all day about campy vs shimano for racing. As a tourer there is really only one choice, Shimano offers triples in their high end and has compatability with their line (and other brand) of MTB components. This gives you an incredible collection of options for tuning your gearing for whatever needs you have. If you are out of shape tackling mountains like we have in Colorado or trying to pedal a fully loaded tourer up a pass in the alps, this is a huge boon.
I have but one roadbike and since I don't tour most of the time I've found the best compromise for weight vs range is an ultegra triple with an XTR rear derailer XT 11-34 cassette. This gives me higher gearing than most ultegra triple setups and nearly as low as most MTBs. The weight difference is nominal and more than made up for in the ability to grind your way up any hill seated while others huff their way our of the saddle. Matching cadances in a paceline is the only drawback.
I've never had the problems of chain suck or dropping a chain that the above poster claims with my setup. Some nominal chain rub in highest-lowest on the triple--it's not loud or anything, nothing that would heep you from doing it if you didn't care much about replacing a chain and cassette every once in a while.
Record may have a small advantage over Dura Ace in the race department, but until campy comes in triples and adds the range of cassette options that Shimano leverages from the MTB line, Ultegra has a clear advantage in my view.
|Campy has being doing triples forever||ColnagoFE|
Aug 29, 2001 8:11 AM
|called the Racing T--chorus level--though your point is valid about gear ranges for touring and easy availbility of shimano parts is probably greater than campy which is an advantage if you break down in nowheresville USA.|
|Currently I have both. I like Shimano. Im not worried if it||raler|
Aug 29, 2001 7:44 AM
|doesnt last quite as long, it just feels SO MUCH BETTER!!! 10 speed is not that much different. Im very happy with 9.
Selling the Record group.
|Your answer is NO||Big Mig|
Aug 29, 2001 9:39 AM
|I went from Dura Ace on my old bike to Campy Record 10 on my new bike. I like the Campy better. The ergonamic's of the Campy feels better and the 10 speed shifts sweet.
In 1500 miles I have no compliants with gears rubbing or anything else. I highly recommend Campy 10 speed.
|Better ergonomics?? I dont know about that.||raler|
Aug 29, 2001 11:13 AM
|Its a trade-off.
Downshifting: To downshift on Campy you have to really slide your hand far down on the lever to reach the little "spoon" thing. With Shimano, you can downshift from way back on the hoods. Shimano I think is easier when standing and has a very nice, positive, and smooth feel!! Edge goes to Shimano.
Upshifting: To upshift with Campy, if youre riding in the normal hood position you have to slide your hand back and hit the trigger. With Shimano no movement is necessary. In the drops, I'd probably give the edge to Campy. I love the thumb shifter when sprinting in the drops. Tie.
My humble opinion.