|Armstrong abandons WC race in Zurich||bike_junkie|
Aug 26, 2001 6:49 AM
|On the first lap. Really wanted him to show that he's not only the best in July, but he really is a one-trick pony.|
|re: Armstrong abandons WC race in Zurich||Jon Billheimer|
Aug 26, 2001 7:44 AM
|I have an uneasy feeling that all is not well with him. Sure hope I'm wrong.|
|re: Armstrong abandons WC race in Zurich||tr|
Aug 26, 2001 8:43 AM
|It really is too bad that he has become a racer for July only, with a few trial runs before July. It is good for him (family time) and his sponsors (winning the tour), but not so good for cycling growth and sponsorship as a whole. I have noticed that the german is flying and he wasn't that bad at the tour, as well as riding the Giro for training. It appears that Lance is not mentally into it these days. Hincapie was up there today. The quiet german looks good for the worlds.|
|re: Armstrong abandons WC race in Zurich||Lone Gunman|
Aug 26, 2001 9:28 AM
|Could be wrong on this, but big money just for a TDF winner to appear at the race, enter and appear. Same as last year.|
|He had a lot of company though.||9WorCP|
Aug 26, 2001 9:43 AM
|I don't know how much respect this race gets but I did notice out of about 188 starters only 58 finished. Lot of big names dropped out. This is a post tour "victory lap" for public appearance purposes. Gives fans a chance to see him up close. I would take exception to your "one trick pony comment." He did win the Tour of Switzerland and took second to Eric Decker at Amstel Gold and he won the Bronze at the Olympics last year.|
|a post tour "victory lap"||schimanski|
Aug 26, 2001 9:57 AM
|"This is a post tour "victory lap" for public appearance purposes."
Rather sad if that's how these smaller events are seen. I actually enjoy these small ones more than TDF which is more about team tactics than people competing each other. I'm not saying the big tours are boring throughout (because they aren't) but towards the end of this years TDF and watching those last laps on the Champs I was only waiting for it to finally end. This kind of boredom never occurs to me during the smaller races. Then again this is only my opinion, the sponsors might feel differently.
|a post tour "victory lap"||Pave|
Aug 27, 2001 7:09 AM
|As a World Cup event and a race with a pretty extensive history, the GP of Zurich isn't really a 'small race,' just a one-day race.
But I do know what you mean (I think)- it's great to see everything played out based on that day alone, not fiddling around with limiting losses in the mountains, or saving themselves for the time trial, etc. Of course, when you factor in the tactics needed for the World Cup championship a little of that "no tomorrow" feeling goes away, but nowhere near as much as in stage race.
|no Leno, Letterman, or White House for Zurich winner||club|
Aug 26, 2001 11:59 AM
|what am I on? I'm on TV, what are you on?|
|Now that's funny :-) (nm)||JS5280|
Aug 27, 2001 9:59 AM
|re: Armstrong abandons .. one trick pony?||Tom C|
Aug 26, 2001 1:05 PM
|Here is a rundown of Armstrong's first place finishes. There would be more entries for podium i.e. 2nd and 3rds but this is what I'm willing to type.
1993 World Championship Road Race
1 stage Tour De France
1995 Clasica San Sebastian
1 stage TDF
1996 Fleche Wallone
1998 Tour of Luxembourg
1 stage TDF
1 stage TDF
Grand Prix de Nations
GP Eddy Merckx (with Viacheslav Ekimov)
4 stages TDF
Tour of Switzerland
2 stages Tour of Switz.
Aug 26, 2001 2:34 PM
|I'm familiar with his impressive Palmares. The fact remains that after the Tour, he's done, while other strong riders are hot before and after the Tour. Want names? How about Casagrande, Zabel, Ullrich, Bettini. He did win Tour de Suisse en route to his TdF domination, but I'd like to see him contest the Giro or Vuelta in the same season. Then he'd be on another level altogether. Many other guys are still going strong, but Lance is cooked? Hope he's not ill, I like the guy and he's great for U.S. cycling, but I'd like to see him race more. Maybe LA is a better Tour rider, but Ullrich is a better bike racer.|
|Ullrich a better bike racer?||peloton|
Aug 26, 2001 3:12 PM
|What races has Ullrich won this season? Not to knock the guy, but come on. Sports have evolved. There will never be another Merkx who can win everything. Specialization is the name of the game, everyone plays it, and Lance has perfected it. Name one other racer of this time that has won both classics, and a Grand Tour. Ullrich hasn't. Nope, not Pantani. Simoni? Garzelli? Heras? Nope, just Lance. I think he is pretty good in this age of specialists.|
|Ullrich a better bike racer?||tr|
Aug 26, 2001 4:09 PM
|I think you are forgetting one of the best, who rode a good tour and won San Sebastian and probably has won a lot more races than anyone out there (including lance) J A L A B E R T He qualifies to your question of name some one.|
|No doubt, jaja is good||peloton|
Aug 26, 2001 6:13 PM
|I can't disagree, Jalabert is probably the most well rounded rider of our time. He's won the green jersey, the polka dots, and just about everything in between. He is also the winner of more races than any other active rider. Very impressive stuff. I just think people slag on Lance a lot because he doesn't race year round. He does do okay when he's there though, regardless of the type of race- classic to Grand Tour. Jaja may also perform in a variety of races, but Lance performs better than many of his peers as well. As for Grand Tour winners of our time, I consider LA to be the most well rounded.|
|Ullrich a better bike racer?||bartali|
Aug 27, 2001 8:28 AM
|At least Pantani did Giro and Tour in the same year and won them (1998).
Armstrong is a better cyclist but the season is more than June and July.
Aug 27, 2001 4:22 PM
|three letters........ E - P - O|
Aug 28, 2001 5:00 AM
|I recall that Pantani came up non-negative for the 1998 Tour. You know, the dirtiest Tour de France in history where teams (Festina for one) were thrown out.
I repeat, at least Marco Pantani does the Giro and Tour (when invited) and has won both in the same season.
|re: Tom||Tom C|
Aug 26, 2001 6:06 PM
|I Agree with tr. Jalabert comes to mind as a more successful racer than Ullrich. Although without a Tour win many will disagree but who have we to thank for making the Tour the primary focus for a season? It certainly is not Armstrong. No, my recollection is it started with, of all people, Lemond.|
|If you're only gonna have one trick tho' ...||Humma Hah|
Aug 26, 2001 8:55 PM
|... he picked the right one.
Really, his one trick is grinding the competition to dust when they hit the mountains. Were there any mountains?
In the Olympics, the road race was way too short -- he was it it like everyone else, lacked the information to know when to make his move, and was merely another world-class competitor and not the best that day. In the TT, he was merely the third best.
If I'd even tried to ride the TDF, I'd maybe just be getting out of the hospital now.
Aug 27, 2001 5:58 AM
|there are classics riders and there are tour riders. you never saw lemond contest classics, and not everyone is eddy merckx. i think that winning the Tour and a few other races is quite impressive. if lance doesnt want to race such and such races, that's his perogative.
none of us are even near the level required to race over there or understand the demands of pro racing. thus, its ridiculous to say "oh, he's got to prove himself in july" or "it hurts cycling that he's not contesting other races."
he's done more to bring awareness to cycling in america and beyond than anyone else in recent years, not to mention being an inspiration to cancer patients/survivors.
choosing your racings to balance your life out (he does have a wife (pregnant with twins) and a child) is wise and healthy.
plus rumor has it that he wants to contest the giro soon. so that should shut most of you up.
|armchair quarterbacks||yeah right|
Aug 27, 2001 7:42 AM
|I think an important thing to remember is, that with winning the TDF comes a lot of off the bike commitments. While Lance may be able to keep up his "victory lap" of appearences in races, I would guess that his training is way down. The pace at any one of the classics is enough to drop anyone who is not at top form, and with Lance running all over the place for sponsors etc. it is understandable that he isn't at his best.|
|You can't please everyone.||9WorCP|
Aug 27, 2001 9:25 AM
|I know what you mean. What does this guy have to do anyway? He's a won a world championship, a couple of classics, made the Olympic podium, won numerous tour stages along with three Yellow Jerseys, and beat cancer. If that doesn't satisfy you then I guess you will have to get cozy with your Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault and Fausto Coppi books and videos and hope that sustains you. I don't think we'll see that sort of domination again for a very long time. Maybe, but probably not.
Lance has said that the Tour is priority numero uno and he has the template to win this thing again and again. He will never do anything to interfere w/ that plan (don't hold your breath about the Giro), and it makes sense from his perspective as an American rider. The Tour is the only bike race that gains national exposure and the only thing that will satisfy his sponsors in the US. People have got to understand that he is obligated to make the very most out of the Tour, much more than any other race. The man is a Pro and he works for US companies. He will do what it takes to keep them happy like it or don't. Think of it this way: George Hincapie could win four classics a year and this would barely make a dent in the American consciousness. Win one Tour and you are set for life.
I accept the situation as it is and like all fans would love to see him win a lot more than he does but I also accept the fact that he is probably unable to entertain the notion seriously.
|Well put! nm||Live Steam|
Aug 27, 2001 10:45 AM
|You can't please everyone.||bartali|
Aug 28, 2001 5:06 AM
|"I don't think we'll see that sort of domination again for a very long time. Maybe, but probably not."
Dominate? Dominate what? The Tour yes, but Lance Armstrong hasn't dominated anything else.
I don't want to sound picky but I like to use the word "dominate" a little differently. Especially when it comes to sports.
The fact is Lance Armstrong hasn't dominated a period of cycling, let alone a cycling season, in his whole career.
He dominates the Tour de France and that's it. Cycling is not the Tour de France alone.
|You don't score very well on comprehension||Live Steam|
Aug 28, 2001 6:21 AM
|He said that LA does not dominate the sport the way Merckx and the others did. This is a silly debate. LA is the best in the sport at this time. Do you believe that if he decided to train for the Giro or the Vuelta, that he wouldn't be the favorite to win? If Jan Ullrich is his closest competitor, what does it say about LA and his dominance, especially since most of the cycling world seems to believe that JU is the "most talented cyclists". JU has finished second every time LA has competed against him in the TOUR - the Super Bowl of professional cycling. As for being "a one trick pony" as some of you have stated, LA has shown his competence in other races. He is the leader of the pro peleton and can pick and choose what races he rides in. The sport is much different than it was 25 years ago. All sports are that way. I think one can compare pro cycling with professional boxing. The world champ can pick who he wants to fight and on what grounds. The same applies here. LA holds the big title belt and the lesser belts hold no threat to his standing as the best overall. JMO :-)|
Aug 28, 2001 11:37 AM
|It still isn't domination when you race a tune up and the Tour in a season.
Armstrong doesn't dominate the cycling world. He dominates the Tour.
|Buddy, you have to read the post again.||9WorCP|
Aug 28, 2001 12:01 PM
|You're going off but no one has claimed Armstrong dominates cycling. NO ONE dominates like MERCX, HINAULT and COPPI dominated that was the point (or one of them). You didn't understand my post and you didn't understand Live Steam's explanation of my post. Please reread. Or don't. :)|
|Buddy, you have to read the post again.||bartali|
Aug 29, 2001 4:32 AM
|My bad.|| |