|Any Merckx Majestic Ti owners here? Looking for inputs.||Tig|
Aug 24, 2001 7:08 AM
|Found one at cbike.com for only $1275. Considering it. Anyone have any positive experiences or hear of others who have? Thanks for your inputs.|
|re: Any Merckx Majestic Ti owners here? Looking for inputs.||Ray Sachs|
Aug 24, 2001 9:09 AM
|I have a '98 Merckx Ti AX, which was the same bike as the majestic, at least through the 2000 model year (I think Merckx changed the geometry of the whole line slightly for this year). I like it a lot. It all comes down to fit and the fit of the Merckx geometry is dead on for me (I had a Litespeed Classic, which is arguably a "better" frame that I didn't like as much, but the Merckx felt just right immediately). It's not a crit bike - more laid back and stable, but still very light and responsive. It's not super stiff, but it's easily stiff enough for this 160 pound spinner.
I'd heard stories of shimmy regarding earlier models, but in '97 or '98 the changed the tubing profile to make it a bit stiffer and I've never had any problems, although I'm not going faster than 45 mph very often.
I don't know exactly how the new model differs, but it can't be a huge change.
|I love my Merckx AX||Steve Davis|
Aug 24, 2001 9:49 AM
|I too bought a Merckx, primarily because the geometry was perfect for me (60cm c-c seat tube and 58.5 cm top tube). I mainly do fast recreational rides (a few centuies each year and about 3500 miles) so the "classic" laid back seat angle is just fine for me. Lately, I have entered a few cat 5 crits and I've had no problems in the corners despite a low bb. I'm 6'3" and weigh 195 and have never felt the bike was not stiff enough. Last year I ground up Mt. Washington in a 39x28 and never felt chain rub or anything close.
Hope this helps.
|it's just a Litespeed (NM)||D'Ohhh!!!|
Aug 24, 2001 9:43 AM
|Yes it is...||Steve Davis|
Aug 24, 2001 10:40 AM
|The Merckx is in fact made by Litespeed, but has completely different geometry. Even the bottom bracket is different (italian threads).|
|sorry, my AX had English threaded BB||nm|
Aug 24, 2001 10:55 AM
|and any geo differences were minimal... unless you mean the "proprietary" angles?|
|That's interesting||Steve Davis|
Aug 24, 2001 11:29 AM
|I just swapped out my BB to install a Daytona Triple for this year's Mt. Washington hill climb and my '99 was definately italian.
The geo differences for me were not minimal as Litespeed only made the Classic in 2cm increments meaning I had to pick a 61 or 63 (c-t) and I seemed to be right between sizes.
I never did understand the "proprietary" angle bit. I think DeRosa does the same thing?
|sorry, my AX had English threaded BB||Ray Sachs|
Aug 25, 2001 1:09 AM
|I'd say the geometry differences are pretty significant. It has a significantly slacker head tube (almost a full degree in my size), a shorter top tube which is effectively shorter still because of the laid back seat angle (you'll ride your saddle farter forward on the rails to get the same setback from the bb), longer chainstays, AND the propriatary head angle (which is slightly steeper than on a Litespeed). You'll need a longer stem on the Merckx to get the same reach. The overall effect is a notably shorter front-center, a slightly longer rear center, and a bike that is balanced very differently than a Litespeed. Having had a LS Classic and now a Merckx, I can tell you there's a significant difference in the ride. I prefer the Merckx - some folks will prefer the Litespeed, but there IS a notable difference.
|it's just a Litespeed, but a few hundred $ cheaper||Tig|
Aug 24, 2001 11:11 AM
|Looks like a Litespeed Classic now that you mentioned it. Merckx costs less (I was wrong earlier, it's $1225) for the same basic bike, including basic strait stays. The best priced LS Classic I've found was $1395 at probikeheadquarters.com, and it was a 2000. The geometry is what I'm looking at though. I don't need crit handling anymore and my old bones need a smoother ride than the aluminum I'm on.
The next question is who makes it, Merckx, or is it contracted to Litespeed?
|it's just a Litespeed, but a few hundred $ cheaper||Jack S|
Aug 24, 2001 11:14 AM
|the little sticker on the seat tube says "Made by Litespeed"|
|It is contracted to Litespeed||Steve Davis|
Aug 24, 2001 11:22 AM
|There is a sticker on the seat tube of my 99 AX that says..."built in the US by Litespeed".|
Aug 25, 2001 10:18 AM
|Merckx contracts out his Ti frames with Litespeed. I have a Vortex and a Merckx EX. As another poster noted, different bikes. The angles are slacker in the Merckx, chainstays just a touch longer and BB is lower. Also, at least for the AX and EX, no FD braze on mount. Earlier Merckx Ti's were also spec'd with adjustable rear drop outs, allegedly at Merckx's personal request. It really is a matter of personal choice. I prefer the Merckx geometry over that of the Vortex. |
BTW, my EX has Italian BB threads. Strange with those AX posters having English.
|Not quite||Ray Sachs|
Aug 25, 2001 3:44 PM
|My AX is Italian threaded, fwiw.|| |