|New bike (heavy) and old bike lighter||progress_what_progress|
Aug 21, 2001 2:49 PM
|I just bought a new Univega Modo Vincere. Campy veloce (triple), Colombus Thron framset and Aluminum fork. I realize that this is not a super expensive bike, but the thing weighs more than my 1988(or 1987) Raleigh competition that I bought used in 1990 for $200 (the Raleigh originally sold for about $800). My guess is the Univega is about 2 pounds heavier than the Raleigh. The weight of this thing is close to that of my brothers Mongoose Triumphe Mountain bike. I was thinking that this bike must be fairly light as it the same frame as the Modo Volare which got a 4 1/2 chainring review in bicycling Mag. you'd think that in 13 years bikes would be getting lighter.
Where is all of the weight coming from Components or Frame/Fork?
|There were 18-pound bikes in the 1890's ...||Humma Hah|
Aug 21, 2001 2:58 PM
|... with composite rims (cellulose-lignen composite, aka "wood").
Not a lot of progress has been made in weight. Only so much is even possible. The bikes weight almost nothing now. They just get nicer gizmos on them: today, a sub-18-lb bike has gears AND brakes!
|re: New bike (heavy) and old bike lighter||Ugo|
Aug 21, 2001 3:44 PM
|Nonsense. Older bikes, (especially 1980's vintage Italian road bikes with Campy SR, NR or C-Record components, and Victory Strada wheels with tubular tires) cannot compare with modern bikes outfitted with bar-mounted shifters, clipless pedals, clinchers, triple chainrings, and straight blade forks. It's just old junk that no one wants. Sealed bearings rule. Why pay all that money for a persnickity P.O.C. when you can get a modern aluminum (scamdium) or titanium bike for the same cost. And they rust, too!|
|a bit overstated||DaveG|
Aug 21, 2001 5:31 PM
|I won't argue that major advances have been made, but I think you overstated things a bit with "It's just old junk that no one wants". Check out what classic vintage bikes are going for on Ebay and elsewhere. There are entire businesses devoted to vintage and retro parts. Many people still appreciate (and are willing to pay for) classic vintage bikes. Not everyone is about just buying the lightest, trickest (and sometimes trendiest) stuff. If you are not into that that's perfectly OK. There's emough room in the sport for old and new. To each his own|
|Yeah - if I can snag that old Paramount frame ...||Humma Hah|
Aug 21, 2001 6:22 PM
|... you can expect I'll rig it singlespeed/fixed, any old brakes that'll stop it, brake cables flying in the breeze, chromed lugs polished, touch-up paint hiding the rust, and I'll smile ear-to-ear as I fly down the road on it.|
|I don't know, I'm liking you for a Merlin paperboy bike. nm||MB1|
Aug 22, 2001 5:14 AM
|I've got close enough to that already ...||Humma Hah|
Aug 22, 2001 7:48 AM
|... but I have serious doubts I'll ever be man enough to ride it on a double century, much less a 400 k brevet. And I can't seem to paceline more than a mile or two with you and Miss M before she finally gets warmed up and pulls away and leaves me solo!|
|The new one comes with 2 sets of wheels.||MB1|
Aug 22, 2001 7:59 AM
|It uses disk brakes and can fit 26" wheels for off road and 700C for road rides. Man, just think how stylin' you will be and the 1/2 life of a ti bike is forever!|
|The ultimate beach cruiser?||Humma Hah|
Aug 22, 2001 8:19 AM
|I dunno, I've not heard great things about the fatigue life of Ti bikes. And titanium is subject to room-temperature creep. Eventually, the bike may slump into a heap of noodles (probably would take about 2000 years).
However, I've run fatigue crack growth rate tests on titanium in seawater, and it propagates cracks about 1/10th as fast in seawater as in air! I've often said it is the PERFECT material for beach cruisers.
|The best riding wheels I ever owned had wood rims & silk tires.||MB1|
Aug 22, 2001 5:23 AM
|Campy SR hubs, Zeus alloy freewheel, butted DT spokes all on a nice Cinelli frame. My best bike ever. But I was young and foolish. Traded it in for a newer model. Now that is a sad story!|
|Big Picture||grzy mnky|
Aug 21, 2001 4:31 PM
|Bikes ARE lighter. They're also relatively more expensive. |
The weight is coming from the lack of $$$ spent - there's no free lunch. They put some Campy components on it to make it look good then cut corners everywhere else. The bike industry has gotten very good at this. You can find all sorts of average MTBs with XTR rear der. Why? Because that's what people look at and make purchase descisions on. Forget that the frame is made from galvi pipe.
You really need to have actual weights b/c the bikes of old aren't as light as you think also adding Ergo/STI shifting comes with a seignificant weight penatly. Go to down tube shifters and you could save weight and money.
Aug 21, 2001 5:26 PM
|So it's the "Thron" frame that makes it a supertanker?|
Aug 21, 2001 5:35 PM
|Thron is one of the cheapest columbus tube sets. I believe it is single butted, so it is on the heavy side for todays standards. Still a good steel ride, but for the price point a quality steel. The ride quality should make up for any weight penalty.|
|Single butted?||alex the engineer|
Aug 22, 2001 6:17 AM
|Or, in layman's terms, "gas pipe", aka non-swaged, constant thickness? Sorry, it's been a while.|
Aug 21, 2001 7:20 PM
|Do you have any idea how much it weighs? I'm curious because I have a modo vincere, too.|
Aug 21, 2001 11:44 PM
|Weight is probably about 23 pounds for 59 cm 2000 Modo Vincere according to bicycling magazine Jan/Feb 2000. 2000 has different handlebar stem rims and saddle. 22.2 lbs for 56cm 2001 Modo Volare Bicycling Mag Dec 2000.
Did your bike come with Mavic or Alex rims? mine had Alex rims on it but I was unsure of the quality of the rims and had them swap them for wheels with the Mavic rims.
Aug 22, 2001 4:41 AM
|I have a 2001 - yellow and black. Mavic. Since buying it I have done a little upgrading [the butt killer xo saddle went first] - I really like the ride quality of the frame. One thing I did was go to mavic open pros w/ daytona hubs. I also put a profile bsc carbon fork on it. All in all it's turned out to be a terrific bike|
Aug 22, 2001 11:03 AM
|After upgrades how much money did you put into the bike? Enough to buy better bike from the beginning?|
Aug 22, 2001 4:45 AM
|Now that I think about it, I used to ride a Peugeot PX-10 25 yrs ago that I know was lighter than the univega. That was a light bike.|| |