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what's a guy to do??(25 posts)

what's a guy to do??rib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 4:12 PM
I'm really torn about what to do.

I'm bikeless at the moment and it's driving me crazy. On a good year my riding season generally extends into late Oct., so I still have several good weeks left. We're nearly at the '01 Interbike show and all the new stuff will be coming out in just a few short weeks. I haven't heard rumors of anything sensational coming out that I'm tremendously interested in. I'd be very happy plunging ahead and getting this model year's stuff and get a bike built right now so I can ride while the weather holds out. Happy that is unless I find that 2-3 months from now all last years stuff is deeply discounted and I've spend hundreds and hundreds more than I needed to. BTW, I'm generally looking in the $4-5k range...


What and when is it normal for discounts after the new year's products come out? If I go ahead right now, what would be a reasonable discount off MSRP (which is what I'm always quoted) to request/demand from the LBS?

Thanks.
re: what's a guy to do??Avanti Guy
Aug 20, 2001 4:35 PM
Campy are releasing some new wheels which sound interesting...
re: what's a guy to do??look271
Aug 20, 2001 4:49 PM
I've already seen substantial savings on 2001 models. Wait too much longer and you won't have anything to pick from.
re: what's a guy to do??Giles
Aug 20, 2001 4:51 PM
I am new to buying bicycles, but not new to riding them. Curious, what do you get in the $4-5k range that you cant get for lets say 2K? Not to be nosy, but if you aren't a pro/semipro why spend that much on a bike?
re: what's a guy to do??Lone Gunman
Aug 20, 2001 5:09 PM
$4-5K means a very few bikes in that range. Ti or CF are a given, Colnago, Seven, or Serotta come to mind. Kinda like asking why spend $70K on a Porsche when a Mazda will do. He can afford to ride it is the answer.
re: what's a guy to do??Giles
Aug 20, 2001 5:28 PM
My guess is you get a lot more for your money with the Porsche. Of course it is an affordability issue, but that aside what makes a bike worth 5K significantly better than one that costs less. There are much more differences in cars, bikes are fairly simple machines.
re: what's a guy to do??Hummm
Aug 20, 2001 6:05 PM
Know even less about cars than you do about bikes? I guess you would be one to opt for that black velvet Elvis wouldn't you? Probably ride a Huffy too, how much of a difference could there be between that a C-40?
re: what's a guy to do??Giles
Aug 20, 2001 6:09 PM
Realistically you can quantitfy the differences in cars but not bikes :) You probably have the velvet dogs playing poker painting.
re: what's a guy to do??rib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 5:25 PM
A valid question. I'm not seeking out a high spirited racing machine. Couldn't use it to it's fullest by a long shot, nor would I really be comfortable on a stiff/rigid racer. What I do appreciate are exotic materials like CF and Ti, the craftsmanship of such builders and the uniqueness of their creations. Have you seen a Seven Odonata Ti/CF, a Colagno, the many fine other Italian bikes or even Kestrel or Calfree CF bikes? They are works of art.

Why buy a Picasso when you can get a velvet Elvis? Why indeed...
Exactly.look271
Aug 20, 2001 5:30 PM
If you can afford it, go for it. Sometimes it's not whether you get there, but HOW you get there.
re: what's a guy to do??Giles
Aug 20, 2001 5:38 PM
Totally understand it from that point. A bike is a fair percentage of artistry. I was more inquiring about performance differences and what type of ride differences do you get by spending more money. Not at all saying I would prefer the velvet elvis?
re: what's a guy to do??rib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 5:53 PM
The ride of a Ti and/or CF bike is distinctly different from Al, sort of like steel but still very unique. The Ti/CF bikes I've ridden are almost buttery smooth, really take the harshness out of the road. Makes longer rides much less tiring - sort of like driving cross country in a Mercedes vs. a Jeep.
don't waitHank
Aug 20, 2001 5:27 PM
don't get how you could be bikeless AND willing to spend 4-5K. I could never talk myself into spending that much on a bike but I somehow have six bikes--5 in the 2-3K range (purchased over a 15 year period). I'd feel nervous if I had less than two road bikes and one mtb.

but yeah, don't wait. Good deals to be had now. I doubt Shimano or Campy will do much of anything. More companies will come out with compact geomety and AL bikes with carbon stays. Different colors...
don't waitrib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 5:57 PM
Well, I've been wanting to upgrade this year so I decided to test the market and see if I could sell my old bike. Gone in 1 day. Left me high and dry for sure.
problem is...Hank
Aug 20, 2001 6:15 PM
places like Seven (which you mentioned) involve a wait. Most bikes worth getting involve a wait IMHO (I've had to wait for all of mine). So maybe get yourself a relatively inexpensive cross bike now (Redline, Jamis, Lemond, Surley, etc.), while you plot your dream road machine. Cross bikes are fun and they make great backup/alternate bikes. Then you'll have two bikes and won't be in this mess again.
problem is...badabill
Aug 20, 2001 6:55 PM
The way to go IMHO. Everyone needs at least 2 bikes and a cross bike is great for that. Was out today on my Shark when I lost the screw in the Shimano STI shifter, what a pain. I will be on the Surly till I fix it. With 4-5 grand to spend I would go custom, and most good builders have at least a month wait, some more.
No discounts in your price rangeLanterneRouge
Aug 20, 2001 5:51 PM
I can't believe you've been able to be without a bike either. Doesn't sound like you're a newbie, if you're gonna spend that kinda dough. In any event, it wouldn't seem that you could expect much of a discount on bikes in the $4-5K range. No dealer is gonna cut you a deal on a Seven or Colnago so that he can move it off his floor in time for next year's models. Plus, these bikes tend to not vary much from year to year like the lower end stuff. Seems you'd be hard-pressed to find the bike you want, in your size, spec'd the way you want it, sitting in some shop anyway. I wouldn't spend that kind of scratch on a bike without special ordering down to the chainring bolts. If you want to save some money, don't buy a complete bike. Get the frame you want, shop around on the 'Net for the best price on a grouppo, fork, wheelset, and other odds and ends, and you probably could save a few pennies.

But whatever you do, get a bike and ride!
No discounts in your price rangerib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 6:09 PM
Oh, I'm definitely going the route you suggest, including completing the build with stuff from the Internet. Better prices on groups and kits, but the frames aren't any cheaper. I guess I'm feeling to anxious about missing a good chunk of the road riding season. I'm disappointed that I shouldn't expect discounts from the LBS. I've become pretty enthralled with Seven's product. Generally custom built to your exact specs. Thanks..
No discounts in your price rangecstinki
Aug 20, 2001 8:01 PM
BTW I got a Seven ti Odonata 3 months ago and couldn't be happier. Fast and comfortable. Go for it.
all or nothing?Guillermo
Aug 20, 2001 5:53 PM
I'm no fan of equipment worship so my perspective is more riding, training and racing oriented, but I would spend 4 or 5 hundred dollars on a used anything of reasonable fit before I would stop riding in August. It's not about the bike, it's about the ride.
all or nothing?rib-eye
Aug 20, 2001 6:00 PM
If I was a talented racer my perspective may well be different. I'm not...I'n just your average guy on the road/trail who loves to ride and appreciates SOME of the finer things in life.
re: what's a guy to do??LC
Aug 20, 2001 6:07 PM
Just get a used junker bike and ride it till you find that perfect bike. You can always sell it or even keep it for a rain bike. The longer you don't ride, the weaker you legs get and you will not be able to appreciate that nice bike. There really is no substitute exercise that will quite come close to actually riding a bike, hell even a Huffy is better than no bike.
Wouldn't worryfiltersweep
Aug 20, 2001 7:04 PM
...why bother with getting a "discount" on a $4000+ bike? Like bargaining for an SLK. I know that money is money, but what is the point? You know that LBS will give you red carpet service on a top-end bike, the entire sales staff will know you by name, and you will be invited to all their holiday parties....

Back in my salad days I had a cheap Honda 750 motorcycle, and heard from more than one idiot (usually on foot) that I shouldn't drive a "Jap bike"- and that they would only ride a Harley. Doubtful any of them every held a MC license. Amusing to say the least.
Isn't a $5K bike about $3k worth of ego massage?cory
Aug 21, 2001 7:47 AM
Your money, and it's up to you. But if you ride them side by side, I defy you to find $2,500 worth of difference between a $2,500 bike and a $5,000 one. Might as well just get a bumper sticker that says, "I have a lot of money."
Take it with you?pbraun
Aug 21, 2001 8:28 AM
I agree. It's better to get something other than what you want and always wonder if there is a difference and then die with $3000 more in the bank. Your heirs will thank you!! Or spend you money on a golf club membership or twinkies for life, but don't get a better bike than you "need" (I'm sure Cory or others will be glad to tell you what you "need")