|Is this forum controlled by Rodale?||Old Man Grumpus|
Jun 14, 2001 12:48 PM
|I really think this website is a front for Bicycling Magazine. Just look at most of the posts, "What is a sewup tire?" Should I use a triple for a freeway overpass"? " Are "biking" shorts comfortable"?
Here is some advice for all the newbies (which I think is about 95% of the people on this forum). Go get the last 6 editions of Bicycling Ragazine and read them cover to cover (should take no longer than 30 minutes). Those six editions will answer all of those tough tech questions. Don't worry about subscribing, they recycle all the info every six months anyway, you'll learn nothing at all from that point. Plus, you'll be glad that it does not arrive in the mail and you have to toss it without reading it after you've quit the sport in a few months.
Only kidding folks. BUT, this forum has gone WAY downhill in the last few months.
|I like this Guy! nt||Tom C|
Jun 14, 2001 12:58 PM
|If your not part of the solution..........||Len J|
Jun 14, 2001 1:19 PM
|Your part of the problem. If you don't like the topics, post topics that your interested in.
Unfortunatly not everyone has your knowledge of cycling. I thought that was the point of this forum, to share knowledge. People have to start somewhere.
Maybe we should have a beginner section so that all us grizzled veterans wouldn;t have to be "bothered" with Newbies. Oh yea, who would then answer thier questions? Maybe Lance A the lurker could handle that.:)
All that being said, some of the posts bother me too. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve the sight. You have any?
|Frequently Asked Questions Forum||PaulCL|
Jun 14, 2001 1:52 PM
|A FAQ forum would solve a lot of the clutter.
We should not criticize or flame threads that we are not interested in or find too simple. Like Len J. said: we all start somewhere. Heck its' fun sometimes to inform "newbies" - we were all there once.
If you don't like the thread, ignore it. Or better yet, start a really good one. I will agree that the recent spate of "polls" or "favorite bike" or "recipes" threads are kinda tiresome. I just ignore them
Jun 14, 2001 2:02 PM
|Frequently asked questions Forum. This is a great idea. Maybe Gregg could just move some of the threads that are repeats into a specific place.
Well Gregg, What do you think
|how about a "veterans" or "masters" forum?||freespirit|
Jun 14, 2001 4:13 PM
|might be good to have a separate forum dedicated to non-newbie issues|
|how about a "veterans" or "masters" forum?||fuzzybunnies|
Jun 14, 2001 10:04 PM
|Sounds like a great place to hold the campy/shimano flame wars, material comparisons and complaints, and bickering over which company makes the best bikes. With out the newbies there doesn't seem to ever be much added since most of the older posters share advice more than post for advice. TTFN|
|I'll second the FAQ Idea -||MeDotOrg|
Jun 14, 2001 2:52 PM
|It would be nice to see some of the Frame Materials, Campy vs. Shimano, triple vs. double, etc., etc., in a FAQ. It would cut down on the traffic and make also reduce the exasperation for people seeing a question posted for the 400th time.
I think it's important to note that even if you are seeing a question for the upteenth time, the question is brand new to the poster...
|If your not part of the solution..........||Old Man Grumpus|
Jun 14, 2001 3:03 PM
|The solution is that all these nerds need to find another "equipment intensive" sport to spend their stock-option money on.
I'm told SCUBA costs a bundle and you can ask TONS of stupid questions on the many forums dedicated to the sport. So go do that and leave us "real cyclists" alone.
A few silly questions I can deal with, but when most are questions my six year old can answer, it's time to find a new forum. I don't want to mention any other forums because the geeks will go infest those too.
"Bitterness is happiness!"
Jun 14, 2001 3:40 PM
|True, many of the threads smack of Rodale-esque nonsense, but to someone relatively new to the sport, this site has been very informative.
If you are feeling generous, please so inform of the other secret sites that only the cool kids know about. You're rant, accurate as it may be, harkens me to those kids in high school who always talked about how lame the party was and that they were going to a really cool party very shortly, but never did.
Lastly, I think many of the "geeks" are seasonal. It's summer for crying out loud and you will not find the "which bike should I buy" stream in February.
|re: Is this forum controlled by Rodale?||Old Roady|
Jun 14, 2001 3:20 PM
I'm an old road racer from the 70's who spent every high school penny I had to purchase a custom made Bottecchia. I still ride like the devil through the back roads of Louisiana on that Bottecchia, but I put new Mavic rims, spokes and wheels on it from Colorado Cyclists a while back ($550). Blows those young kids on small framed bikes away.....chuckle. I love to see the looks on their faces when I zip by them. Happy riding.
|No, but some of the old, good staff is here||club|
Jun 14, 2001 3:28 PM
|maybe we should have a poll of who has had sex on a century rest stop, or a thread about farting in the peloton. Those were a couple of low points I recall from dem daze.|
|Congrats on keeping the Roadie Ahole Image Alive and well.....||Schizo|
Jun 14, 2001 3:33 PM
|....Ahole stuck up roadies, and juvenile punk mountain bikers. Is there no happy medium? Does everyone have to be one or the other?
Really though. Everyone started at ground zero. I'm sure you didn't fly outa your mothers womb wearing Lycra shorts and a ridiculous looking jersey.
BUT, I can sympathize with you regarding stupid a$$ questions that could be answered with a little bit of study time. Thats what I try to do 1st, then ask questions if I cant find the answers elswhere.
|re: Is this forum controlled by Rodale?||DINOSAUR|
Jun 14, 2001 3:36 PM
|I understand what you are saying. I guess there has to be a place for people to ask questions when they are embarking on the sport. In this modern world, just about everything under the sun we need to know is on the internet (well, almost everything). I guess they figure they can just log onto the old computer instead of doing a little research on their own.
I keep seeing the same questions repeatedly asked over and over again. Then again, when someone has a down to earth technical question, it goes almost unanswered.
I don't know what the answer is, next time I'm on a ride, I'll give it some thought....
|Maybe it really isn't about the bike||Alan B|
Jun 14, 2001 4:09 PM
|I suspect we're getting more "Rhodale" topics because the weather is turning nice and road biking is growing in popularity, attracting people who have either never ridden at all or only tried mountain biking. Having been a roadie off and on for 30 years, I welcome this resurgence (and bike shops actually stocking road stuff again!) and encourage newbies to ask questions -- even those whose questions are obviously beneath your dignity to answer. To me, it IS about the bike and sharing the experience, ESPECIALLY with the newcomer. It is an expensive and sometimes confusing equipment market -- bang for the buck and all -- when you're brand new to the sport. I think it's unfair to assume all are just in it for the "stuff," though admittedly there are some.
I guess the short answer is that folks with no patience for beginners should scroll on down, and folks willing to lend a hand should answer up. It's not THAT tough to just scroll by, is it? It's not like if the posts were absent more intellectually challenging material would fill the void.
The long answer is to creat a FAQ. I think that's a splendid idea. Everything from what component level should I buy to CO2 vs. pump to what energy drink, etc.
|Maybe it really isn't about the bike||Old Man Grumpus|
Jun 14, 2001 4:35 PM
|Blah blah blah.....
You are correct, cycling is getting more popular. Just like Starbucks, Cell phones and giant SUV's. Hmmmm, see a trend here?
Anyone have a cabin in Montana for sale? I'm looking.
|Yeah, some guy named Kazinski has had one for sale for a while||PaulCL|
Jun 14, 2001 7:05 PM
|And as for the "stock options" ...they're all "underwater" right now.|
|Maybe it really isn't about the bike||BobA|
Jun 14, 2001 7:28 PM
|Right you are, Grumpus. There's a trend afoot. This technology thing has got to stop. It frightens and confuses me. Forgot to add antibiotics, computers and airplanes. Ha! Airplanes! Like that idea will ever get off the ground . . . Don't forget to write us from Montana. BTW - if you're in the market, consider the Lincoln area. Koczynski loved it.|
|re: Is this forum controlled by Rodale?||Fred The Poseur|
Jun 14, 2001 8:56 PM
|After reading most of the replys to this post, it would appear to me that most of the solutions are already in place. There are several forums for more in depth technical discussions, this is the "General" or everything else forum.
I am grateful for all the questions the ignorant Newbies ask every day. ( I am an ignoramous myself ) I am even more thankful for the people on this and other forums who have the knowledge and patience to answer all these questions. I have learned a lot in the last three years and am now on the verge of buying my second bike. It is a very exciting and stressful process.
I have visited the mail order sites that were recently recommended in answer to the repeated pleas for help. I think it will be GVH or my LBS. I have been riding entry level Shimano, but on GVH, I could get a decent frame and still be able to get high end Shimano or Campy. Whatever, I will do better than I did the first time around, and I owe it to those of you who are always willing to share your knowledge.
As for important cycling stuff, the "Shall I shave my legs" thingy always seems to attract a lot of serious discussion. Is that a real cycling issue? Thanks again to those of you who are serious cyclists, but don't take yourselves too seriously.