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Frame/Mini Pump?(16 posts)

Frame/Mini Pump?donalson
Mar 15, 2001 12:13 AM
hey guys,

well I'm finaly after 2 months or so of looking officaly picking my bike up's a univega modo volore (SP?) w/ 105, cane creek, ect (and my fave, has CF specilized rear wheel and Hed areo front wheel :)

but my question is whats a good mini/frame pump for a road bike? my wheels are tubular so i want something that can get the pressure pretty high,

PS any sugestions on a home stand pump? (and i don't plan on useing my tubulars for long...just till i can afford some clinchers for training :)

re: Frame/Mini Pump?Spoke Wrench
Mar 15, 2001 4:53 AM
If you are going to carry a pump on a road bike, you need one that is long and skinny so that you can get the tire to a reasonable pressure. My favorite is the Zefal HPX. Be careful, they come in different lengths and you need topick the right one to fit your bike.

I stopped carrying pumps and just use CO2 cartridges. They are expensive to use, but how often do you have a flat tire? I like the fact that they are fast and will generate enough pressure to make me feel secure for the rest of the ride.
re: Frame/Mini Pump?pmf
Mar 15, 2001 5:11 AM
I'd get a Silca floor pump for home. These are great. You can buy parts for them cheap and rebuild them. I don't have one, but when my Zefal wears out I'm going to get one. I have a Silca chuck spliced into the Zefal because the crappy Zefal chuck wore out. I can replace the rubber washers in it from time to time and it works like new.

Minipumps blow. I'd been carrying a Blackburn around for years. It works, but you're out there pumping for a long time. I'd say 250 strokes. I recently went to CO2 and am happy with it. You stick the thing on the valve, push, and bingo, full tire in one second. Get one that accepts threadless cartridges (I got an Innovations one). They are much cheaper and can be purchased in quantity at Walmart or a sports store that sells air gun stuff.

If you want to use a full size frame pump, get a Zefal. None of my bikes have a peg, so I don't use frame pumps anymore. I used to use the Zefal frame pump though. In my opinion, the frame pump route is the best way to go since they work real well and never run out of CO2 cartridges. Not all bikes take them. Make sure it fits tight if you get a frame pump, otherwise it'll fly off when you hit a bump.
A hard-learned lesson on flats ...bianchi boy
Mar 15, 2001 6:17 AM
I recently bought a CO2 pump after using a Silca frame fit for many years. Had my first flat yesterday in more than 2,500 miles of riding but was far out in the country and 25 miles from my truck. Found out very quickly a short-coming with CO2 -- you need to carry more than one cartridge. The leak in my tube was pinhole size, so I had to partially inflate the tube just to find the hole. Then when I got the leak patched, I didn't have enough CO2 left in the cartridge to fill up the tire all the way. Fortunately, I had stopped at corner store that turned out to be a tractor shop and they had an air compressor, so I was able to fill the tire (very carefully) with enough air to make it home. In the future I will make sure that I either carry a spare tube, at least 2 CO2 cartridges, or go back to using the Silca (which I am sure is lighter than 2 cartridges).

Silca frame pumps, by the way, work great -- although you do have to pump a while to fill up any tire with frame pump. My Silca has never rattled (which apparently is a problem with some brands) and it looks great because it matches my frame (a Celeste Bianchi). Colorado Cyclist sells Silca frame pumps, but only in black. You used to be able to buy them in many different colors but not sure if you can any more.

As far as floor pumps go, I have a Topeak Joe Blow and am not real pleased with it. The chuck seal/ring wore out after about 1 year of use and I was not able to get a replacement from Topeak despite several emails and phone calls. I finally broke down and bought one of their new "Smart Head" conversion kits at a bike shop for $15 and it works again. If I was gonna buy a new one, I think I would go with the Silca floor pump as well based on comments I've heard from other bikers and my experience with their frame pumps.
here's my take on this...and another vote for the zefal hpxHaiku d'état
Mar 15, 2001 6:42 AM
recently purchased the hpx and there's a whole world of difference between it and the topeak master blaster combo i've been using. it's like night & day, plus the topeak can be used as a deadly weapon when necessary. i'd recommend the hpx; however, it fits on the seattube of my project bike, where there ARE NO WATER CAGE mounting holes/screws. i tried to get it under the top tube of my 2000 specialized, but no go -- i'm gonna have to get one of those pump peg simumlators and some velcro. when the money gets back to normal (after i have my new bianchi paid for, which won't be 'til october, 2020), i'm going to try one of those co2 inflators.

floor pump: tried a trek, worked for awhile and the rubber/plastic stuff in the head that you have to change to work from presta to schrader broke. will be replaced. now using the nashbar blue floor pump, $20, and it's wonderful. i'll fix the trek and use it as a backup. the nashbar has dual-holes for p/s.

good luck and have fun.
How old will you be when you finish making payments?ACE
Mar 15, 2001 9:48 PM
2020 is a long time away!
How old will you be when you finish making payments?Haiku d'état
Mar 16, 2001 5:24 AM
49. ouch. guess i should have it nickel and dimed by september. just before i turn 30. my 30 goals are the ms-150 and my first organized century.
Word of caution on frame pumpsGadfly
Mar 15, 2001 6:47 AM
I rode with a frame pump for a dozen years. Last year, while doing some maintenence, I noticed that there was considerable wear on the underside of the top tube where the handle of the Zefal Hpx rattled against the frame. (Rough roads, I guess.) The wear was through the paint and even a few mms into the aluminum. If you use one, you might want to consider rigging up a piece of foam or something between the pump handle and the frame.
Mar 15, 2001 8:36 AM
One of the advantages of the HPX that no one has mentioned is its size. It is the LONGEST frame pump around. This is very nice on some larger frames.

I had a Blackburn frame pump that wasn't great but it worked. Until one day as I'm commuting I hear a rattle between my legs. I look down and I was now the proud owner of half a Blackburn frame pump which was now trying to tangle itself in my legs. Apparently it broke in half while I was riding. I never did find the other half. Went w/ a HPX and havn't had a problem.
Zefal Bitesgrz mnky
Mar 15, 2001 9:16 AM
I honestly dunno why they are still in business. All my expereinces with them have been hateful (I'm not alone) and my wife see's to it that I get to continually refresh my memories. She loves her Zefals and there is nothing I can do about it - except maybe break them. ;-) But then she'd just buy a new one. :-(

I've been a Silca man since I was a boy (can that make sense?). They do have their moments and the floor pump required some care and feeding but now the thing rocks. Recently I've become a big fan of Blackburn products and the new MDS-2 is a stunning performer and is actually lighter than their traditional frame fits. Try one out in a LBS and compare. Double sideded and dual mode, with the push of a button, for really fast inflations to high pressures. Topeak has been doing a good job, but sometimes their stuff can work well for a while then suddenly die.
Get a Zefal framepump and be happymike mcmahon
Mar 15, 2001 9:33 AM
My Zefal is about six years old and just went onto its third bike. As far as damage from the pump goes, I followed someone else's suggestion and cut a small piece of a tube to put over the end of the pump that contacts the intersection of the seat tube and top tube. This should prevent any damage to the paint and/or frame. What's the matter, Grz, did someone hit you with a Zefal when you were a man-boy? ;-)
Pure Cheezegrz mnky
Mar 15, 2001 1:18 PM
Naw, we actually used them for self defense against a couple very agressive dogs on our paper routes. You haven't lived until one these things has let you down out in the middle of Nowheresville.
Mar 15, 2001 2:26 PM
CO2's are fantastic for getting you back on the road quickly. How about 2 minute tube changes?

I use the threaded 16 ounce cartridges, as it takes that much gas to reach 120 psi (the 12 ounce unthreaded get only about 90 psi), and the inflator gizmo is much smaller and lighter. They are expensive, but in reality I average about $4 a month on CO2.

I usually carry 2 of them, as you could get 2 flats, or screw up once and need a backup. For really long rides, I'll carry 3 (with 2 tubes and a patch kit). If I'm venturing out into the middle of nowhere all alone, I'll throw my Blackburn Airstick mini-pump in my jersey pocket, too, as I don't want to risk being totally stranded.

CO2 leaks out faster than air (nitrogen/oxygen). So, don't be surprised if you find you tire deflated the next day after refilling with CO2. Just totally deflate and refill with your floor pump.

If the mini-pumps, I like the Blackburn Airstick the best. It takes a lot of strokes, but will get you up to pressure.

My bike won't take a frame pump. The bottle cages occupy the down and seat tubes, and my rear brake cable runs under the top tube. SOL. However, for larger frame sizes, I've seen some guys fit a frame pump on the left side rear triangle, between the dropout and the seat stay/seat tube area.

If you don't have a pump peg and the frame pump won't stay in place under the top tube, they make a velco wrap that keeps it in place. You could make your own, too.

As far as floor pumps, the most important thing is to get one with a built in guage. That makes it a lot more convenient.

I got my bike today :)donalson
Mar 15, 2001 3:44 PM
well I got the bike today, a univega modo volore, the shop stuck a bottle and a saddle bag (sits under/behind the seat) they put in an extra tubular tire and co2 inflator w/ a cartrage, i was psyced, (i didn't relize the stuff in the bag till i got it home though) and while i was there i picked up a blackburn floor pump, the TPS-2 model, looks to be a good pump but when i tried pumping up my rear tire (specilized tri-spoke wheel) i discovered the part that attaches to the valve is to big to fit in the small slot :( oh well i guess i'll return it and find one that will fit it, and prob pick up a few other co2 cartrages :)

thanks guys

Frame pump long rides, Co2 shorter.Cora
Mar 15, 2001 6:34 PM
For longer rides (50+)I carry the ZefalHpX and two spare tubes.
Anything less I carry two threaded cartridges and a Co2 inflator head and 1 spare tube. The Zefal gets to pressure much more quickly than a mini(I have seen a couple of friends pump to exhaustion on a mini and then pinch flat because there wasn't enough pressure). My frame doesn't have a pump peg, but I bought a strap peg that works well (although I hate the asthetic).
re: Frame/Mini Pump?Teach
Mar 15, 2001 8:02 PM
I like my Topeak Road Morph. Has a step to fold down so you can use it like a floor pump. Still takes a lot of strokes, but this feature makes it a lot easier to use.