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follow up to componet questionRandyMH
Aug 28, 2001 2:57 PM
Ok here what I'm trying to achieve. I want a smoother more efficient ride. From what I understand the rims that came with my bike are "pretty good" but the Coda hubs suck! My thought is that I would change out the hubs to get a more efficient ride. I am going to build them myself. I like to learn to do things on my own. Even if I have to get the BS to tweak out the dishing and truing. I can get an Ultegra rear hub for 34.95 and a front for even less. So in hindsight the cost to upgrade to better hubs would be minimal. I can always add better rims later. As far as the BB I was told that a better bottom bracket would also make my pedaling more efficient, but I'm getting a lot of opposition to this idea. I am going to switch from my heavy Sora triple that rubs like a cheese grater to a double maybe the 105 hollowtech or the Cannondale; so I will need a BB for that. I'm not bored with the look of my bike, so handlbar tape is not the answer. I'm trying to get a smoother feel to the moving parts of the bike. I will deal with the weight issue later.
Please let me know if this whole idea is wacked, if so why. I bought my bike with the idea that I would upgrade a little at a time.
Ummmm....grzy mnky
Aug 28, 2001 5:05 PM
Better to build all new wheels and keep the others for beaters. Chances are you won't be able to tell the difference in the hubs and it will just cost you a bunch of money for minimal if any gain. Why stop short with Ultegra hubs? You don't mention the brand of rims, but chances are they're not perfectly straight anymore.

BTW - your LBS is going to be "thrilled" if you swap things over to some tweaked rims mess up the initial tensioning and then turn it over to them to "finish". Only to do it over again with the rims later. "Adding rims later" isn't like changing spark plugs.

I think your LBS is letting you talk yourself into something that really doesn't make a lot of sense. Ultimately if your bike is equiped with Sora then it's indicitive of the overall component level and there's room for significant improvements across the board. What about the fork/frame/drivetrain/bars/stem/seatpost/saddle/brakes/etc.? By the time you get done in your quest for a "smoother more efficient ride" you will have bought a new bike in THE most expensive manner possible - one bit at a time and the labor at full pop or a nice collection of tools.

Upgrading a little at a time isn't a bad thing as long as you look at it as a hobby and you're not worried about getting good value. You need to decide what your goals are. Do you want to simply tinker with bikes or do you want a better ride or do you want to become a better rider. They're all different answers.
fully whackedHank
Aug 28, 2001 5:57 PM
just ride and enjoy your bike and replace stuff as it wears out. Save your money for a better bike if you really get into the sport. A new bb and new hubs will make zero discernable difference. The wheels are going to be way more hassle than you think. Sounds to me like your front der needs proper adjustment.
Again, not advisedMel Erickson
Aug 28, 2001 7:01 PM
You will feel NO difference by changing hubs. Ultegra hubs are better than Coda, no question, but you won't know it riding. Now, if you just want the fun of building wheels and have a nice pair to boot then by all means go for it, but don't just replace the hubs, get all new parts. The BB idea is a non starter unless you intend to replace the crank too. Like others said, upgrading in this manner is the most costly way to get a new bike. If you want to play around and learn why not pick up a used frame and used components and build an entire bike from scratch? Choosing and buying carefully you could end up with a very nice ride fairly cheaply and learn alot to boot. Plus, now you've got two bikes. I admire your willingness to experiment and desire to try new things. I just think there are better ways to acheive your goals.
re: follow up to componet questionTrent in WA
Aug 28, 2001 8:06 PM
You don't mention what kind of bike you got, but I take it that it's a Cannondale R4000 with a CAAD3 frame. If that's the case, and you like the frame, and it fits you, and you're confident that you're going to hold onto it for a while, you could probably improve the bike's weight and performance with some well-chosen upgrades. But I don't see how changing the hubs will help matters much. Changing the crankset will lose you a half pound in weight and might improve shifting, but the chain rub you describe sounds like it's either a chainline problem or a front-derailleur adjustment problem.

Hope this helps,
re: follow up to componet questionRandyMH
Aug 28, 2001 9:47 PM
Thanks for the feed back so far. I fully understand that I will spend way more money upgrading instead of buying a new bike. But at this point I like the bike I have and would like to build it up. I have a CADD 3 frame, so to me my frame is not an issue. I understand that the most cost efficient choice would be to trade in or sell the bike I have and add more money to buy a stock bike off the rack, but I find no pride in that. I want the experience of upgrading my bike and feeling the differences as I do it. I think that builds a better connection and appreciation for your bike, at least for me. I am a do it your self type person and don't mind spending the time working on my own bike. So labor cost are not an issue. Plus I have a very good relationship with the guys at my LBS. It seems that you are looking out for my best interest as far as cost are concerned and I appreciate that, but cost is not as much an issue as if the components I want to buy are a good addition to the bike I have. I am definitely changing the cranks along with the BB. I will also be able to exchange my 105 front derailleur for free. The reason I wanted to change out my hubs is due to the fact I didn't want to spend $300+ dollars on a set of wheels right now and figured I would get some sort of advantage from going from Coda to 105 or Ultegra. Even if I were to rebuild my current rims with hub upgrades I would later buy a nice rim to go with them. However the general consensus is that that won't make much difference so I probably won't be doing that.
Thanks again for your input
Step back and look at what you're doing ...pmf
Aug 29, 2001 4:31 AM
You're spending a lot of time and money to fix things that aren't broken. I understand that you want to dive in and become self sufficient in maintaining your bike. That's great. But it seems to me that you're trying to fix problems that don't exist. What's wrong with your crank and BB? New ones will make no noticable difference. Neither will hubs. If you just keep riding your bike, believe me, you will get plenty of opportunities to fix, replace and overhaul components. That knowledge comes slowely over time as you accumulate tools and experience. If you really feel the urge to spend some money on your bike, get a truing stand and repair stand. These are useful things to have. You'll use them forever.

I know its tempting to go hog wild when you first start out, I was the same way.

If I were you, I'd just ride the bike I have and wait until you have the money to buy exactly the dream bike you want sometime in the future. It makes no sense to buy a bike and then begin replacing the components on it right away. I'm sure your LBS is more than happy to help you out with this, but from your stand point, it makes little sense.