|Finest bike for non-racing?||Tim_S|
Aug 28, 2001 10:42 AM
|What are some opinions for the finest bikes for non-racing purposes? A bike that says, "I ride well, I know what I'm doing, I appreciate fine machines, but I'm riding to enjoy myself, not to cut 60 seconds off my century time."
I realize there may not be one "best" such bike, but what are the possibilities? Probably needs to be custom, which likely means steel or Ti, but more likely lugged steel (looks nicer?).
|Rivendell. Or the Humma (then people will KNOW you ain't racing)||MB1|
Aug 28, 2001 10:59 AM
|based on my Atlantis, I'd say Rivendell, too||cory|
Aug 28, 2001 1:02 PM
|The Atlantis is just SO GOOD that I can't see how a Riv could be $1500 better, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. I like that bike better than anything I've owned since my first real car.|
|MB1, do you know Grant||raler|
Aug 28, 2001 2:57 PM
|Peterson? I think he was smart. I had two MB1s back in the day and loved them. Its too bad they closed down US sales.|
|Grant is still in business and is very smart.||MB1|
Aug 29, 2001 4:47 AM
|Rivendell you know. The bikes he sells now are generally much better and way more expensive than those old Bridgestones. Same ideas though.
I bought a Rivendell for Miss M, she loves it but couldn't believe how long the wait was. Now it is her pride and joy.
I met Grant at a few trade shows, I doubt he remembers me. I used to race with Pineapple Bob way, way back when in Hawaii.
My sign on is my initials, my wife has the same initials hence the "1" in MB1. Nothing to do with the bike.
|Trollman has heard about this Voodoo Raddaa (nm)||Trollman|
Aug 28, 2001 11:11 AM
|re: Finest bike for non-racing?||MikeC|
Aug 28, 2001 11:14 AM
|I agree that no one can claim the absolute "finest" bike. But The Seven Cycles Odonata Ti has to be among the best.
-Fully customizable to the owner's body and intentions
-Light weight (2.5 lb frame)
-Extraordinarily comfortable with its ti/carbon combination
-Elegant design, with first-class workmanship (and even paintable upon request)
-Low maintenance (no rust, paint chipping, corrosion, etc.)
-Reliable (no higher return rate to the factory than the all-ti Axiom).
I consider the Odonata to be like a Porsche Turbo. It's luxurious, but still able to bring on the heat. There may be strictly-racing cars and bikes with a little more edge, but they make real-world sacrifices in usability that I'm not willing to make any more.
|re: Finest bike for non-racing?||AD14|
Aug 28, 2001 12:14 PM
|Great post Mike-n.m.|
|me makes two for odonata (nm)||harlett|
Aug 28, 2001 3:02 PM
|About how much for a frame? nm||airborne pilot|
Aug 28, 2001 3:18 PM
|About the same as a C-40. About $3450 frame & fork (nm)||MikeC|
Aug 28, 2001 3:42 PM
|$3095 for frame||zzz|
Aug 28, 2001 4:12 PM
|It shouldn't be flashy and yes steel would be best.||Live Steam|
Aug 28, 2001 12:42 PM
|I don't own one, but I like the Steelman one of our members rides. It has excellent geometry, state of the art tubing and has a subdued paint scheme. I would also suggest the obvious - any Italian steel with lineage, ie. Colnago, Pinarello, De Bernardi, Pegoretti. Rivendell is certainly exotic and yet presents a reserved look of fine craftsmanship.|
|Happy with my Steelman...||Mike Prince|
Aug 29, 2001 12:20 AM
|I got a "stock" SR853 this year and love it. Geometry fits me like a glove and the build quality and ride are first-rate. Brent also does customs for about $1600 if the stock $1300 frame doesn't work for you. If you're into flashy paint, this one may not be the best as the Steelmans are powdercoated, eliminating fancy fades and patterns.
Aug 28, 2001 12:54 PM
|I would also take a look at Waterford if lugged steel is your thing. I've been happy with mine. The ride is great, as is the finish, and when properly outfitted, they look great.|
|re: Finest bike for non-racing?||Breezydz|
Aug 28, 2001 1:30 PM
|If you have ever seen a guy wearing an ill-fitting but expensive suit, carry that image with you as you look for a hand built steel frame that fits you perfectly from a small shop. Frame builders will take the time to understand what you want the bike to do and build you a bike that will do it well. Spend what you can afford on components, details and craftsmanship, but spend as much as it takes to get you on a bike that fits.|
|Custom Ti||grzy mnky|
Aug 28, 2001 1:48 PM
|The ride of steel with the weight of aluminum. Nothing quite like it. |
No purty lugs, but I'm OK with that.
Not going to name names b/c we all know who they are.
Aug 28, 2001 2:01 PM
|I mean Airborne my bad|
|F##k You nm||airborne pilot|
Aug 28, 2001 3:15 PM
Aug 28, 2001 3:47 PM
|happy huffy owner it is a fine bike|
|Uh oh, we struck a nerve.||grzy mnky|
Aug 28, 2001 4:46 PM
|Getting a bit testy I see. |
You're never going to improve your image that way.
|re: Finest bike for non-racing?||DMoore|
Aug 28, 2001 2:34 PM
|Although I've only recently begun racing (50+) I've been a serious recreational rider for many years. For training rides (tagging along with guys who do race), club rides, charity rides, centuries, etc. my hands down choice is my Richard Sachs.
It's a full custom frame, made to fit ME. It's beautifully made, by one of the most gifted artisans in the business. Although a traditional lugged steel frame it's pretty light, just under 20 lbs. with steel fork and full Record group. It handles incredibly well, is comfortable, and looks terrific. The bike is raceworthy so I could race on it, but I couldn't bear the thought of laying it down so I race on my Litespeed instead.
Although I like my RS best, there are a number of other truly well made steel frames available. Other frames I'd consider include Brian Baylis, Bill Holland, Tom Kellogg (Spectrum), J.P. Weigle, Columbine, Ericksen, or Richard Moon. Each is different, reflecting the builder's personality, but all are magnificent.
Some of these names don't have the name recognition of Merlin, Seven or Serotta, and may be completely unknown to most riders. That may be a bad thing for you (I'm gonna spend big $$ and I want everyone to know it!) or it may be a bonus (snob appeal - my bike is so cool you haven't even heard of it, you prole!). If you really care about the bike itself, then it's simply irrelevant. Quality speaks for itself, and even if people have never heard of Richard Sachs, Moon, or whoever, when they take a close look at the bike they'll know it's something special. Which you'll already know, because you'll be the person riding it.
|add Bill Davidson out of seattle to that list||gordanley|
Aug 28, 2001 4:19 PM
|a custom built lugged bicycle by a dedicated builder is a thing of beauty....odonata is a beautiful bike too as is the legend ti|
|Saw a beautiful||raler|
Aug 28, 2001 2:55 PM
|Waterford the other day. Wished it was mine. As for the ultimate, its hard to say but a nice custom steel frame with a raked out steel fork and slightly long chainstays. You cant beat the ride. Pure comfort. Someday I'll give up the Ferraris and move towards this type of ride.|
Aug 28, 2001 3:28 PM
|Two that I like are Richard Sachs and Spectrum. I have the latter and it is lovely. Sachs may be the king of custom builders in the U.S. I should also point out that there are many other bikes that I could recommend, but a Richard Sachs (among very few others) will be something collectors will still value in the years ahead.|
|Another vote for Sachs (nm)||Tri-State Cycler|
Aug 28, 2001 4:01 PM
|Sport Touring, rather than Racing frame||Ray Sachs|
Aug 29, 2001 7:24 AM
|I think most non-racers would benefit from a bike with more of a sport-touring geometry, rather than a full race bike. While these bikes are SLIGHTLY less responsive than a race bike, the speed difference is really inconsequential in anything other than a race. A full touring bike is generally a slow feeling bike which can take a lot of the fun out of a ride. But something with slightly slacker angles, lower bottom bracket, and longer chainstays than a crit racer hits the sweet spot for me on those long, semi-fast but not race pace days.
I've been mostly riding a Rivendell for the last four years and its about perfect for me, but there are others available and any custom builder can do one, so you don't have to spend a fortune to get a great ride.