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anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?(10 posts)

anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?orion
Aug 27, 2001 5:29 AM
I ride about 150-200 a week, but want to focus my miles better through some kind of training program. I saw the Armstrong/Carmichael 7 weeks book at the local book shop. Has anyone read this/used its advice? are there any other recommended training books? thanks!
re: anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?Lone Gunman
Aug 27, 2001 5:38 AM
Cyclist Training Bible by Joe Friel.
Trollman thinks Lance recommends it. (nm)Trollman
Aug 27, 2001 5:50 AM
Trollman thinks Lance d/n recommends it. (nm)Trollman Too
Aug 27, 2001 9:57 AM
ya
Very basic - better choices availableFlava
Aug 27, 2001 6:46 AM
Cyclist Training Bible by Friel. Better yet, Serious Cycling by Ed Burke. He doesn't provide canned workout schedules but does provide something more valuable - an explanations of the energy systems that you'll be using and how to train them. You'll have to do a little more thinking with this book but in the long run it is very valuable.

Basically, all of these guys are saying pretty much the same things. In fact they often quote one another.

There isn't much value in the Carmichael book IMHO. If you're looking for a single source it would certainly not be a good choice.
re: anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?eh123
Aug 27, 2001 7:07 AM
No, it was very general and definetly not worth it. Go with Friels book.
re: anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?Pair
Aug 27, 2001 7:36 AM
How about using one of the coaching programs from CTS, anyone have any experiences, good or bad?
Not good even for beginnersChris Zeller
Aug 27, 2001 9:24 AM
I'm a beginner to road-biking and even I didn't particularly like this book.

As other posters suggest (and Amazon reviewers) it was canned and pretty basic. My knowledge of basic sports science told me most of what was in the book. The only piece of "new" info was the idea of cycling at a higher cadance than is normally used by other pros--100+ However, this isn't really new and may only be appropriate for some cyclists with certain body types.

IMHO the worst thing about this book wasn't the basic info. I expected that. The worst part was the way it was written. It was written all in third person about Lance, not by Lance. This was annoying. If Chris Carmichael wanted to write a training book about how he trained Lance he should have written it in first person about his training program. If Lance wanted a book about his traing program he should have written it in first person about his program. Either one would have been acceptable. The book seemed detached the most likely result of being written by a ghost writer. The best parts were the dialouge boxes written by Lance.

I'm going out to get the bible instead.
Ya gotta start somewhere, but. . .Trent in WA
Aug 27, 2001 10:43 AM
The Armstrong/Carmichael book isn't great, but if you're a raw beginner (as I was / am), it's not awful. Its basic argument, if you want to call it that, is that you can improve your riding most quickly by focusing on specific goals and techniques on each ride and by gradually increasing your miles and intensity in order to prepare for particular events (or series of events). None of that breaks any new ground, but if you're unfamiliar with it it's very useful, and while the book's writing style is pretty irritating, you will at least be able to understand it if you're reading at a junior high level. What I've found most useful is the exercises or drills that Carmichael uses in building the training programs--the little trademarked things he discusses in chapters seven and eight. Most of the rest of the book covers aspects of group riding and bike handling techniques that I've seen discussed elsewhere.

My recommendation: Unless you don't have or haven't read any books on basic bicycling technique or conditioning, don't buy the book. Check it out of your local library, and if they don't have it, ask them to get it for you through interlibrary loan. Skim it, and if it seems useful, just head to your local Kinko's and copy chapters 7, 8, 19, and 21. If you want to lose some weight, the recommendations in chapter 11 are pretty good; by following them, I've shed about twenty pounds since the beginning of the summer.

Sorry to go on at such length, but I hope this is helpful.

Trent
re: anyone recommend Armstrong Carmichael 7 week program book?notthatgullible
Aug 27, 2001 4:24 PM
I wasn't very impressed with it. It has some contradictions when you compare it to the CTS website training suggestions. I asked about that at their cycling forum but basically got the silent treatment. You know what book I think is pretty good? The Lemond book. That's the one I always end up looking at after looking at all the others I have. Bernard Hinault wrote one that is very, very informative and interesting. I have it, bought it used at some tiny bike shop in Berkeley. If you can find it I think you or whoever reads it will like it.