|High-End Wheelsets||I Love Shimano|
Aug 20, 2001 12:46 AM
|There's an article in Bike.com about high end wheelsets that (to sum it up) says that expensive wheelsets are no better (overall) than a set of regular open pros/cxp 33s laced to chris king hubs.
Is there any significant advantage that the Nucleons, Ksyriums, Dura-Ace wheelsets have over the regular rims laced to regular hubs?
Because those wheelsets are pretty darn expensive!
|re: High-End Wheelsets||alex the engineer|
Aug 20, 2001 3:43 AM
|little to none. They DO look real nice, but you would get FAR greater benefit from spending the same money elsewhere.|
|re: High-End Wheelsets||Duane Gran|
Aug 20, 2001 3:51 AM
|I think this is a rather blanket statement which doesn't take into account the specific properties of some wheels in certain conditions. For example, rims with a deep dish (Zipp 404, Cosmic Carbone, Spinergy Rev-X, etc) are generally good in the aerodynamic category. Other wheels are very lightweight, some are stiff and some are compliant. To say that high end wheels (which is mostly a way to say they are composite or just plain expensive) are equivalent to your basic Mavic rimmed wheel begs the question, "under what circumstance?"
This isn't to say that I disagree or am snubbing the Mavic, but I hope the article gave some real reasons for this claim. Of course, I could just be suffering mental dissonance because I paid a lot for my Zipps and they damned well better be worth every penny. ;)
|re: High-End Wheelsets||TJeanloz|
Aug 20, 2001 4:47 AM
|Well, I don't know about that. First of all, I wouldn't catagorize any wheelset with Chris King hubs as anything less than expensive- those hubs ain't free. Or even reasonable. Second of all, the Open Pro is a great rim, but the CXP33 is a POS. Not nearly as aerodynamic as any deep dish carbon wheel. Not even close. |
I have found Ksyriums to not only be reasonably light (though King/OP is probably lighter) but super strong. A Zipp 303 is much lighter, much more aerodynamic and a bit more expensive. Whether it's worth the expense isn't up to some writer at Bike.com who makes $100 for every story he submits- it's up to you. Everybody needs to do there own cost-benefit analysis. If, to you, there's no real difference between $500 and $2,000, get a set of LEW or ADA wheels. To say that there is no significant improvement from a custom built wheel isn't really fair. It is equally unfair to say that factory built wheels are always better.
|re: High-End Wheelsets||Bike Baller|
Aug 20, 2001 5:28 AM
|First of all any set of rims laced to Chris King hubs would hardly be considered inexpensive. The C. Kin Hubs themselves sell as a p[air F/R for about $380. Second, I'm not so sure about the CXP-33's being a piece of shit while the Open Pros are great. IMO its just the exact opposite, the CXP's are a far more durab;le rim than the Open Pros (its basically a bombset rim) whereas the open pros are more of a raceday oriented rim. It all comes down to what your personal preference is, are you buying wheels to race in or are you buying the wheels to train and tour in. If its anything other than actual racing you would be silly to spend huge $$$ on superlight or super aero rims. The guys who use those wheelsets for training are doing it more for prestige and ego (look over here at what I got) rather than real world functionality. If you are training everyday on your wheelset you would be hard pressed to beat the combo of CXP-33's laced to C. King hubs if price doesn't matter. In that combo you'd have a wheelset that would come in at around 1770 grams with DT Rev spokes and salsa skewers, and with the CXP-33 rims you could ride it forever as far as durability is concerned. If $$$ is an object, just buy a solid set in the $200-300 range and you'll be fine. Nobody needs Zipps or Spinergy Xaero's, or Ksyriums for everyday training purposes, that's silly!|
|You know...||Lone Gunman|
Aug 20, 2001 6:46 AM
|People don't need motorcycles that are capable of going 160mph but they still do own them and ride them. Every day training IS my race day. If I own and ride a nice frame, I am gonna deck it out with high end wheels. This is my only vice, and I want to enjoy it. I probably won't need a new bike for 5 years, but I am planning on a new Ti bike with top end components next year. It's just part of being a consumer, to each his own wheelset.|
|re: High-End Wheelsets||mmaggi|
Aug 20, 2001 6:08 AM
|Well, it depends on what you define as expensive.
Campy Nucleons and Mavic Ks will run you $500-$525. Mavic Open Pros with Kris King hubs will run you about the same.
Weight is negligible. They all weigh about the same (1500g-1600g).
The Nucleons and the Mavic Ks are more aerodynamic, but that's about it.
Unless you're racing, there is no significant advantage. It's negligible.
Zipps (303s & 404s) on the other hand, is a different issue. They're a fantastic racing wheelset. Unless you really fall in love with the way they look, you won't get the full benefit of them just by training with them. Plus, $750-$900 per wheelset is pretty steep for training.
In the end, purchase what you like. They're all very good wheelsets.
|What about being able to fix your own stuff?||MB1|
Aug 20, 2001 7:08 AM
|Darn hard to work on boutique wheelsets. Any non-flammable thoughts on this out there?|
|What about being able to fix your own stuff?||Hank|
Aug 20, 2001 8:10 AM
|my guess is that people who buy those overpriced pre-built wheels most likely don't know how to build (or probably even true) wheels, otherwise they wouldn't buy them--unless, of course, they get them cheap or for free through a pro deal or some kind of sponsorship.|
|re: High-End Wheelsets||longfellow|
Aug 20, 2001 8:35 AM
|Bike.com is Excel practically. They are pushing their own wheels. Go figure.|| |