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Etiquette question - (drivel alert)(22 posts)

Etiquette question - (drivel alert)JohnnyA
Aug 17, 2001 5:40 AM
I commuted on the road bike yesterday. At an intersection I inadvertently joined up with 6 of the local semi-pro women who were just starting their ride. We were all spinning at about 18 mph. But now I find myself on my roadbike in my street clothes w/ courier bag surrounded by 6 very talented women riders. We are going on the same arterial at the same pace for about 2 miles.

I tried to hang back about 15-20 feet, but two of them lost contact to dodge some glass and I was in the middle of them again. I felt like I was coming across as the loser trying to hang with the hotties (hmm, I wonder if there is something to that..)

What would have been the face saving tact?
re: Etiquette question - (drivel alert)meddlinandpeddlin
Aug 17, 2001 5:52 AM
you should have got to the front and set some pace tough guy
How about "Good Morning Ladies".MB1
Aug 17, 2001 6:17 AM
Work on them social skills, you never know you might make a new friend.
Be nice, say hi and don't stresslonefrontranger
Aug 17, 2001 7:38 AM
we don't bite!

Most women racers are really laid back. I wouldn't have thought anything of it myself. I catch and am caught by commuters all the time. I usually chat with them a bit. Some are cool, some are semi-jerks about it. If you are polite, that's all that counts. I've had some really good commute conversations with old guys on recumbents, kids on BMX bikes, etc... I'm not *racing* to work, and I like to enjoy my time. Sometimes I get into the ITT mood, but usually I'm just trying to recover from getting spanked on yesterday's (choose one) crit, hammer ride, MTB death-fest, cyclocross race, 5K run, etc...

Of course, the guys who act like I'm an affront to their masculinity are simply fair game on the commute. It's great to see their faces when they get dropped by a fat chick (sprinter, but it all looks like fat in Spandex) with a creaky old Redline 'cross bike, SPuD sandals and 20# of crap in a backpack.
you are my kind of chick :) nmjayz
Aug 17, 2001 8:21 AM
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So YOU'RE the one...cory
Aug 17, 2001 8:23 AM
I hate to admit this, but I have just enough macho left that I don't like to be passed by female riders who look too, I don't know, casual. There are lots of women who can beat me, and I'm used to it, and I have a daughter who's an athlete and I'm glad she is. But if you'd just look like you're working a little when you go by...It's that chainring-higher-than-me, one-hand-on-the-bars, take-a-sip-of-the-latte, shift-up-as-I'm-gearing-down kind of pass that I hate most.
LOLDuane Gran
Aug 17, 2001 9:34 AM
I got a kick out of your response. While riding on multi use trails I have inadvertedly taunted someone into "racing" me once or twice by doing things I don't think twice about. Riding no hands and eating a banana comes to mind. I got a kick out of your comment though and I can relate a little. I struggle to maintain composure on recovery rides to not get vexed if I'm passed.
re: Etiquette question - (drivel alert)JohnnyA
Aug 17, 2001 10:12 AM
It was really pretty humorous. I don't know how I manage to get in these situations. Could have really used a witty quip at the time, but my brain doesn't work that fast.
Geezusgrzy mnky
Aug 17, 2001 10:48 AM
They probably had you spotted a mile away little man.
That was pretty nasty grzy...nmamflyer
Aug 17, 2001 11:52 AM
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Thick SkinnedJohnnyA
Aug 17, 2001 12:23 PM
No doubt. If they only put the hammer down it would have all saved us from an awkward situation!
gee, Grz...lonefrontranger
Aug 17, 2001 12:23 PM
after all, he *did* post a "drivel alert". I certainly wasn't affronted by the topic.

LFR's sure-fire StressBuster(TM)
1)Step away from the keyboard.
2)Go immediately to your nearest decent beer seller.
3)Buy a case of 90 Shilling
4)Go home
5)Put favorite tune on stereo
6)Sit in favorite armchair
7)Pop top and relax
8)Repeat Step 7 as necessary
Understoodgrzy mnky
Aug 17, 2001 1:24 PM
First, I can't drink beer (Glutten Intollerant) and booze has caued far more problems than it has ever solved. However, I do enjoy good drink. You might follow a bit of your own advice - you can't even begin to imagine what "stressed" looks like on me - my military experince has made normal American life look pretty boring. Second, if you don't think the women racers have seen this about a million times from all the he-man roadies in a male dominated sport think again - it's probably a regualr game for them - after all they are the smarter sex when it coes to this stuff. This is about one step away from "I blew this guy away on bike XXXX while on my MTB" and a twist on "I got dusted by some skirts - I think they like me." Note: male chauvinistic tone used to make a point. My wife can and does grind most people, including me, into the dirt in and enduracne situation. I've riden with many women that can dust me and vice versa - usually if you check your bagage at the door and just be yourself and treat them with respect as riders things go a lot better, which would be my point.

Sure it's drivel, but does this mean we're supposed to good naturedly participate in this social parapallegic geek fest? I bet if I changed my handle to something of the female gender and softened my tone you guys would be falling all over yourselves as people have already demonstrated when Kristin posts - not that there's anything wrong with Ms. Kristin's posts, it's just that the guys here are like moths attracted to light. Where's the standard that says we can only have certain male oriented, but PC opinions on the board?
UnderstoodNational Celiac Day?
Aug 17, 2001 1:27 PM
So you're gluten intolerant also? I recently posted a message about how my wife can't drink beer any more because of recent gluten intolerance diagnosis. How long have you been dealing with it, if you don't mind me asking?
Forgot to log in-that was me (nm)mike mcmahon
Aug 17, 2001 1:28 PM
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Spruegrzy mnky
Aug 17, 2001 1:47 PM
I was diagnosed in 1990 while in the Navy. Getting the diagnosis is half the battle. The other half is learning all of the hidden sources and staying on the straight and narrow, which is harder than it sounds at first. Fortunately I'm failry sensitive so I get punished ever time I cheat. Coincidentally NPR had a segment on food related alergies this A.M., but I didn't catch the whole thing. www.celiac.com is a great place to start, but talking to other Celiac's is a real life saver. If it comes in a box or a can from a normal super market the chances are high that we can't eat it. Post your email if you want more info - this really isn't the best forum for our discussion.
Spruemike mcmahon
Aug 17, 2001 1:50 PM
You're right. My e-mail address should be displayed along with the message. If the "e-mail me" button doesn't work for some reason, it's mmarkmc@pacbell.net. Thanks
Understood - no really!JohnnyA
Aug 17, 2001 2:08 PM
LOL

Ahh, Grizzster I think we are on the same page here. Yeah, I posted the drivel alert because it was clear to me this was (surprise) drivel. I know that at least two of those riders competed in the HP Women's challenge this year and were spinning out to do their training ride. I have been around skilled women athletes for years, that baggage was lost in '94.

That's why the whole situation was funny to me. I am hanging out in my dockers and polo shirt trying to escape this uncomfortable situation, wishing they would just pick it up so I can be dropped gracefully. But no, they had the gall to continue going at my commuting speed and my route. Even worse - I knew that they didn't know that I knew that could crush me at will. Know what I mean? (I'm very complex).

When I posted this I fully expected some well deserved ribbing. Glad to good naturedly participate in this social paraplegic geek fest.
Heh, heh...grzy mnky
Aug 17, 2001 2:34 PM
Now I can see a little more into your nature - Hey ladies, "Please just put me out of my misery, quickly!"

Yeah, I don't mean to be nearly as spiteful as I come across, but that's the problem with the net and the way I write. I find it REALLY funny when riding with guys and they start stressing b/c a woman is starting to put the hurt on them. The Navy was full of guys like this and I thought it would end when I left. Had a fun ride once working like hell to stay onto a woman RAAM rider's wheel while she picked the boys off one by one on the lunch ride as they blew up after charging away from us. The guys were all making excuses when they got back, but we just smiled. I told her how awesome I thought her performance was.
you guys?lonefrontranger
Aug 17, 2001 3:06 PM
umm, grz I don't know if you'd noticed but I'm of the female persuasion. I keep my screen name neuter because I like the anonymity. As far as cycling, I LIKE playing games with the fellas (you're right about that), but especially on my commute, I'm more interested in getting along.

I totally emphasize with the thread author - I used to have a couple of Cat I buddies in Cincy who asked me to come ride with them on a regular basis. I remember doing 3-hour rides with these guys, spending the entire time drooling onto my stem and wishing they'd just put a bullet into my brain and get it over with - and they're riding along casually shooting the breeze. They were so daggoned nice to me I couldn't turn down their ride offers (it didn't hurt that they were both eye candy, see I can be just as chauvenistic as the next person!).

As far as my fellow commuters go, I don't care if you're riding a $5K road bike, a nice MTB, an old beatup Schwinn Varsity or a unicycle for heaven's sake. You're out here in something besides an environmentally obscene sardine can, so you are by association someone I connect with. Gender unimportant. But I'm just naughty enough (and strong enough, thankfully) that guys who cop an attitude about getting caught or ridden with by a female better be pretty hardcore riders, or they're going to get played with.

don't know if I misunderstood - you are right, this format is hard to read tone, etc.

I use the term "guys" as a neuter gender noun all the time, BTW. English sucks as a language for expressing non-gender specific ideas.

Maybe we should just all learn German.
Not Germanmike mcmahon
Aug 17, 2001 3:15 PM
If we're going to have an official board language, can we please make it Portuguese?
From the Movie Roxanne:JohnnyA
Aug 17, 2001 2:25 PM
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of being stared at. "

Steve Martin in Roxanne