|Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Caballito|
Aug 15, 2001 6:11 PM
|Hi, This is a beginner question, so please excuse me. I have Michelin Axial Pros on my bike. The other day I got a flat. After fixing it, I noticed the tire had a thin cut right on the top about a 1/4 of an inch, maybe a little less. This is my second flat in about 600 miles of riding. The tire has maybe 4 other cuts but none this big. Is this something I should be concerned about? And for your information, I ride on the streets of Los Angeles where if the bullets don't get you the road glass and metal will. |
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Tanks|
Aug 15, 2001 6:39 PM
|I just passed 3000 miles on mine without a flat. I'm a believer. I would suspect it's the roads you are riding on. Good luck and keep your head down.|
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||badabill|
Aug 15, 2001 6:43 PM
|I ran Axial pros for a while, loved the ride but could only get about 1200 miles a set before they cut. I too am in socal, the glass and road junk is amazing. Switched to conti ultra 2000, cheaper and last longer. you give up a little of the ride quality, but am ave a flat every 500mi or so. Looks like I should get 2000 miles out of the set.|
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Cartman|
Aug 15, 2001 7:05 PM
|I liked my Michelin Axial's, but next time it's different tires for me. They don't hold up to junk in the road well. I nearly cried when I got a 3/4 inch gash in the side wall on my first ride with one of them!|
|I've lost two this summer||terry b|
Aug 15, 2001 7:06 PM
|due to cuts. my personal rule of thumb - if the cut expands when I fill up the tire, I replace it. also, anything on a sidewall gets replaced. while I like their riding properties, I think I've bought my last one.|
|All tires are subject to cuts...||DINOSAUR|
Aug 15, 2001 7:59 PM
|I've trashed a bunch of Conti GP3000's due to sidewall and tire tread cuts. All tires are subject to this problem. I switched to Performance Pro Kevlars and so far they work out great. You lose a little in ride quality but they cost half as less, and if I have to trash a tire I'm not out around $50.00. Two things I did was to switch to wearing clear lenses in my riding glasses and I watch where I am riding, and my flats have dropped drastically.|
|Everyone has different experiences||mike mcmahon|
Aug 15, 2001 8:04 PM
|Different experiences with different tires remains one of the biggest mysteries in cycling as far as I'm concerned. I've worn out two sets of Axial Pros riding in Los Angeles, putting in excess of 3000 miles on the rear tires and over 4000 on the front tires. However, I had bad luck with Continentals and really bad luck with Vittorias. The Vittoria Open Corsa CX was the nicest riding clincher I've ever owned, but I was lucky even to get 1000 miles before they ended up on the junk heap because of irreparable cuts. Maybe we're living in a parallel universe and you'll be lucky with the Vittorias. What part of L.A. are you riding in?|
|Ain't it the truth?||MeDotOrg|
Aug 15, 2001 9:55 PM
|Vittoria Open Corsa CX is the nicest riding, most supple tire I've ever ridden...when it wasn't flatting, which seemed like every other ride. The ideal tire if you ride on debris-free roads, but as a real world tire I found them virtually unusable.
However I've had GOOD luck with Conti 3000s, so go figure. I also think an excellent training tire is Panaracer Pasela TGs, ostensibly a touring tire, but with low rolling resistance it will suprise you and compete with the big boys.
|Ditto on the Panaracer -- Great Tires||Greg Taylor|
Aug 16, 2001 4:51 AM
|Put the Paselas on the commuter...they work very well and the kevlar belted ones are tough as nails. They also make a good "racing" tire with the Stradius. Very comfortable, good grip, low rolling resistance, and decent durability. For the money, a great tire. I'm on my second set.|
Aug 16, 2001 5:40 AM
|And I just got my first flat on my rear CX last week at 2200 miles! Piece of broken bottle just sliced right through the tire. Mike M may have something in this parallel universe theory.
I couldn't find a matching CX in time, so I replaced both tires with...Axial Pros! (I'll use the remaining good CX on my trainer this winter. But, oh, my! Mounting those Axial Pros on Campy Moskva rims is a truly painful experience, and one I won't care to repeat outside the comfort of my air-conditioned family room.
I ride mostly in rural South Jersey. I'll let you know how the Axial Pros hold up.
|You'll come back into the fold soon enough||PaulCL|
Aug 16, 2001 6:32 PM
|....feel the call of the Vittoria Corsa's....smooth riding...supple...easy to get on/off the rim.....they can be bought at SDEALS.COM for about $22 each....heed the call....|
|I wish you hadn't said that||mike mcmahon|
Aug 16, 2001 6:54 PM
|I've been resisting the urge to try them again, now that all my time at the side of the road fixing flats is a distant memory. They do provide a sweet ride. $22 huh?|
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Mike K|
Aug 15, 2001 9:02 PM
|I'm in the unlucky with Axial Pro's column. I'm starting to believe that its some sort of bad karma - you either have luck with a tire or you don't and it does not seem to provide much in the way of reference for anyone else.
I got a set (actually 3) about 900 miles ago - I've had 1 flat on the front and 2 flats on the rear (the second flat causing replacement of the tire, about 1/2" and trough the casing at 400 miles) - no flats so far (500 miles) on the replacement rear - maybe I've finally paid my dues to the Axial gods....
Like some else said, some will wear these to the threads without a flat and others (like me) will get sick of patching and replacing tubes and move on to something else (which may or may not be better).
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||peloton|
Aug 15, 2001 9:33 PM
|The Axial Pros are my favorite tire. I love the way they handle and the ride quality as well. For training and all round riding though, I think that some of the other models in Michelin's line-up are even better. I have been riding on some Hi-Lite prestiges which are very similar to the AP's. They feel very much like the AP's, except they are easier on the wallet and seem more durable for more miles. There are other models too that you can get for about the same price as the Hi-lites, such as the Axial Comps. I paid about $60 for three Hi-lites from Performance a little while ago. That was better than close to $50 for one AP! For racing, I would use the AP's. For training, I would go with the Hi-Lite or Comps. You get 95% of the performance, longer tire life, and save some money too.|
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Mike Prince|
Aug 16, 2001 1:02 AM
|An alternative I have found is the Axial Carbon. Quite a bit cheaper (and heavier) than the AP's, but I have 1200 miles on mine and they look great. I'm riding in England where good roads are the exception and these tires have proved to be very durable.
As far as the cuts, all tires will cut. Sidewall cuts are cause for immediate replacement in my view. Tread cuts fall into two categories - on the tread and straight through the casing. If it is only on the tread (not through) superglue works wonders. Deflate the tire, clean out the cut and put a small amount of superglue in. Squeeze the cut closed and let the glue set. I have done this for years and gotten good results. The repair is essentially permanent. Make sure you clean the cut before gluing as debris always finds its way into the cut and will work its way to the tube.
If the casing is cut, I have used duct tape on the inside of the casing as a patch. Use superglue on the tread side. I view this as a way to get a few hundred extra miles out of the tire until I can get it replaced, although I did this on a new tire last year, forgot the patch was there until I removed the worn out tire after 2200 miles. Go figure.
Two flats in 600 miles doesn't seem outrageous if your roads are as bad as you say they are. One tip - brush off your tires with your hand (while still riding) after riding through junk to dislodge any puncture-causing stuff that may stick to the tire. Many here do this and seldom if ever get punctures.
Hope this helps.
|re: Cuts in Michelin Axial Pro||Jim Hubbard|
Aug 16, 2001 2:03 AM
|Having never ridden Axial pro's I can't comment on their ride quality, however I can comment on their use. I put these in the race category, the general opinion on these is that they ride fantastic and I have heard that from everyone who rides them. However as is usually the case because they ride well they cut easily. This because to get that good ride there are more tpi(threads per inch) that other tires. It also means that they usually don't have the anti-puncture systems of some tires(ie double/triple layer kevlar). So if you want the ride quality you will have to put up with the cuts and nicks and thorns etc.
Just to add to the arguement, this is my list of top riding tires:
1) Vittoria Corsa Cx/ Veloflex Pave (thailand vs Italy)
2) Conti Supersonics
3) Michelin Axial Pro's
|Try some "shoe goo"||PaulCL|
Aug 16, 2001 4:55 AM
|Buy some "Shoe Goo" at Walmart,Kmart, wherever gym shoes are sold...squeeze it onto your tire into the cuts or slices. Then scrape off the excess untill smooth. It's not a permanent fix and you may have to re-apply after a few rides, but it will extend the life of your tires. A cheap ($4.00) fix.
I ride Vittoria Corsa CX TT's. Like a previous poster mentioned: supple, hold the road, smooth, great tire except for the litte cuts all over them. Shoe Goo to the rescue!
|i went this route once..its not worth the hassle from friends||ishmael|
Aug 16, 2001 5:52 AM
|you will end up needing a new tire..just get it..the time saved on the side of the road will be worth it..ofcourse it depends how bad the tire is, mine was torn through the casing..if its not torn through the casing i wounldnt bother either though|
Aug 16, 2001 6:30 PM
|If the cut is on the sidewall or through to the casing then the tire can be booted (then used on the indoor trainer) or thrown out. I was referring to those superficial cuts or holes that make me say ...hmmmmmm.....fill'em with shoe goo and ride. I figure that if lightening strikes and my tire gets cut at the exact same spot that it was cut before, maybe, just maybe, the shoe goo will protect the tire. Who knows?? But the stuff is cheap and easy to apply, so why not?
Besides, tires are expensive and I'm cheap...just ask my wife.
|I've used Shoe Goo for years||Mel Erickson|
Aug 16, 2001 7:40 AM
|and find it effective for relatively small to medium cuts that don't go down to the casing. Anything on side walls or down to the casing is basically irrepairable and you should go with a new tire. I won't comment on my luck with my Conti GP's for fear that the flat god will take his/her wrath out on me.|| |