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not an idiot answerrevvin up response
Aug 13, 2001 4:10 PM
Revvin it up asked a reasonable simple question. Is the relatively inexspensive Samspson Ti a viable option and why so cheap. Some of the responses are just roadies with their head up their ass. A Dean is not an exspensive bike...$1,700 frame is not friggin chump change. Then some dude argues that another riders friend can't friggin ride. And thenthere is the guy who must sell Colagno's for a living. Not everyone can afford an Italian overpriced soda can. Is sampson a reasonable bike. That was the question. Most were repsonsive answers but then the same AH have to respond with their same AH reponses NM NM NM who the frig cares about NM....I am OUT.By the way, I could ride a friggin tricycle and drop most of your assess on any bike so NM that
Proof is in the Puddinggrzy mnky
Aug 13, 2001 4:46 PM
Hey you were doing great until your final line - kinda puts you in the "crackpot" category, but that's OK b/c I'm in the "nut case" category. No doubt things get said here that people wouldn't say face to face. A significant fraction of the responses don't even come close to answering the original question. Sorry, I don't know squat about a Sampson, so no comment from me. Lots of people have their heads up their asses, but their hands are free so they can still type. We need them to get their shoulders and arms up there as well as their head.

Now, about that tricycle, is it African or European? Laden or unladen......
I am in the newbie ask to many questions category. NMGTrider215
Aug 13, 2001 5:18 PM
NM byaba
re: not an idiot answerjtolleson
Aug 13, 2001 4:50 PM
Sampson bikes have received solid reviews for several years. People make the mistake of comparing them with mass-produced overseas offerings like Airborne, and I think that is a mistake.

Sampson is a small local Ti maker here in Denver, with an excellent reputation throughout the Rockies. His prices are very competitive, and still not chump change. Obviously you can still drop $2000 easy. My brother-in-law rides a Sampson; I ride a Litespeed. They are both 3/2.5 ti with nice welds. Sometimes I think it was me who got played for a fool by spending $800 more than he did. He uses it for aggressive sport touring and the causal triathlon. A multipurpose, bomb proof brushed ti bike from a company that I respect, as do most Colorado riders (I think).

I recommend Sampson to everyone considering ti who isn't looking to go Italian (Colnago) or high-end American custom (I like Seven). And like you, I don't think Deans are cheap at all either.

As for flex, that will be an issue with Sampson like any other 3/2.5 ti, and it is one of the reasons I like ti (I'm all sport touring and centuries and want comfort and durability). It can be influenced by geometry and rider weight. It is a function of preference.

I hope that helps.
Not an idiot answer - are you sure?Kerry Irons
Aug 13, 2001 5:00 PM
So what are we to make of a nearly inarticulate post regarding a thread that (apparently) has already gone off the bottom? Nice touch on the tricycle challenge (oh yeah!).
Aug 13, 2001 5:24 PM
A Dean ti frame is $1200. That is relatively inexpensive for a US built ti frame these days. Still not chump change, especially compared to your average tricycle or Big Wheel.
Aug 14, 2001 9:00 AM
when I said a DEAN is not an expensive Ti frame, comparatively it isn't. Retail is $1200, but many people don't pay retail for a DEAN with the auction page and sale pages full of nice frames for $200-300
off of retail. (I won a Colonel Ti hardtail for $850). In the last several months, DEAN released a slightly lighter butted frame and tacks $500 onto the price. This is not a wise $500 expenditure, and John, owner of DEAN, even admits it is largely such a price gap because weight weenies will pay what they have to pay to have the lightest thing going. I was not referring to the X-lite DEAN, which is pretty pricey. At that cost level, I'd look at straight-gauge offerings from Seven, Serotta, Moots, or the Merlin Agilis.