|Sampson sports||revvin to go|
Aug 12, 2001 1:58 AM
|Anyone have any ideas on Sampsom Ti bikes. The prices just seem to low to be true. Whats the catch? I understand that they sell through their site exclusively. How can Serotta, Merlin, Dean,Seven be charging so much for their Ti and Sampson be selling theirs for so much less?|
Aug 12, 2001 7:54 AM
|I bought a Sampson Kalispell ti bike (on closeout) earlier this year. The bike rides quite well, the components are top notch, and Mr. Eric Sampson is a pleasure to talk with on the phone. Does it really matter how he keeps his prices so low? Or to put it another way, if the other Ti bikes cost so much, does it mean that you have to foot this excessive bill?|
|question re: Kalispell||ET at home|
Aug 12, 2001 9:04 AM
|Howard, could you tell us exactly how well it performs? In particular, how is it in attacking hills? Sure, it may be Ti, but are you getting anywhere close to the performance of more expensive Ti?|
|what would you expect?||DaveG|
Aug 12, 2001 10:48 AM
|ET when you say "...but are you getting anywhere close to the performance of more expensive Ti?", what exactly are you expecting that more expensive frame to provide? Faster speeds, effortless climbing? I wonder if the most riders could discern the difference.|
Aug 12, 2001 11:45 AM
|Most riders could probably not tell the difference between the quality of one Ti ride and another. All riders, however, could tell the difference between the price tags!|
Aug 12, 2001 11:50 AM
|Excellent question, ET, but before answering it let us consider the following. My answer, being that I own a Kalispell would be quite subjective. Let us go to an objective source to quantify, as best we can, the ride of the Kalispell.
Any other questions?
|then explain this||ET at home|
Aug 12, 2001 2:32 PM
|I went riding recently with a guy who was on his new Sampson Kalispell, and although he is a very strong rider, he seemed noticeably very sluggish up hills, and not as confident in descents, certainly as compared to my Zurich. I'm just wondering whether it's a great buy or whether it's Ti for Ti's sake.|
Aug 12, 2001 4:33 PM
|If he's sluggish, don't blame the bike! Pick better riding partners!|
|re: Sampson sports||bike_junkie|
Aug 12, 2001 1:46 PM
|First, DEANs aren't "expensive", but rather pretty affordable Ti. |
The "catch" is that Sampson uses straight-gauge CP Ti instead of the more costly and stronger butted 3Al/2.5V Ti used in costlier frames.
The Sampson offers great bang for the buck, but they can't tune the frame to rider preferences the way they can with the wider range of butted material available.
Diminishing returns are at work here. In other words, a $2500 Ti frame may not be twice as good as a $1250 Ti frame, BUT, the $1250 Ti frame is no $2500 piece of work either. With bikes, you still get what you pay for, and if you want the best, it's never cheap.
|re: Sampson sports||DaveG|
Aug 12, 2001 3:02 PM
|While I belive the Kalispell was CP Ti, the Silverton is 3AL/2.5V. Limited shaping and tweaking though. Its usually true that you get what you pay for, but the best values are never those at the high end.|
Aug 12, 2001 4:21 PM
|The best values are never on the high end, but somewhere in the middle ground. The best is always expensive. Ben Serotta told me his Legend is a little lighter, more responsive and smoother riding than his mid-level Ti Concours, but the extra $600 gets you custom geometry, and the creme de la creme of titanium. He explained, Concours = best value, while Legend = better frame (at a price). A few years down the road most people will wonder what the top end stuff is like and wish they'd gone for it. At that point the money won't matter. |
I guess it's all about priorities and how bad you want the best. Afterall, nobody NEEDS a Seven/Moots/Serotta, but they sure sell 'em.
|Kalispell Redux||terry b|
Aug 12, 2001 3:19 PM
|I've got 3 years and many thousands of miles on my Kalispell. It's a great bike, easily as fast, nimble and comfortable as the much more glitzy bikes I've added to my garage. It was my first road bike and is still my favorite. My purchasing experience in dealing with Sampson was great. They're less expensive than others because they are small and deal direct. Don't look a gift hourse in the mouth - you can't go wrong with them, their product or their price.|| |