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LA, no Vuelta, no San Sebastian. Sigh.......(11 posts)

LA, no Vuelta, no San Sebastian. Sigh.......Largo
Aug 10, 2001 1:57 PM
Yes, another Lance post.
There is no denying that he is perhaps the strongest rider in the peloton, but he should do more races. Ullrich as well.
This business of only doing the TDF, and a few tune-ups beforehand, is a bit disapointing.
And there is still the unfinished business of his alleged "promise" to ride the Vuelta in support of Heras.
I'm begining to think of Armsrong as a one race wonder (Tour De Switzerland not included)
Too BadAlpedhuez55
Aug 10, 2001 5:52 PM
I thought it would have been nice to see Lance support Heras in the Vuelta. I am very disappointed that he will not. Lance should make a run at the Vuelta or Giro. It is too bad he has decided to stay out of it. It would be nice for him to do a few more races. I also feel bad for Heras since he would have stood a better chance at the vuelta with Kelme.
re: LA, no Vuelta, no San Sebastian. Sigh.......tr
Aug 11, 2001 7:27 AM
Yes, Lance has gone the way of Indurian. But in Indurian's defense, he won Giros in front of his tours (at least 3 i think). It bothers me that winning the tour allows guys to think that other races that are sponsored are not worthy of their participation. People will not continue to sponsor races (or cut back the price money)if big names continue to not show. It is not good for the sport as a whole. With all the detailed prep training that Lance does before the tour it would be nice if we could see him race some in the latter part of the season. I think he only had 30 something race days before the tour. I understand that he can't have alot before the tour, but give us some after. At the latter part of Indurian's career i used to call him "the one month racer". I see this happening with Lance now. Sure, all the sponsors want their name seen at the tour and that is the objective, but there should be room for some other races, not just Amstel Gold as a tune up and Tour of Swiss. I can respect him wanting time for his family and who wouldn't, let's just hope he can find time for some other races in addition to the tour. I would imagine that the spanish riders on postal are not too happy. They probably feel they made good on tour support and aren't recieving the same from the americans on spanish soil. I also think Heras would have had better support from Kelme.
TdF SpecialistVelocipedio
Aug 11, 2001 8:40 AM
I think all of this will reflect on Armstrong's place in history. His performace in this year's Tour was outstanding, but I suspect there will always be a mental asterisk next to his name in the minds of many fans.

Is Armstrong one of the greats? In the context of the Tour, yes. But without the Giro, the Vuelta snd the classics, he doesn't stand on Merckx's or Anquetil's level... and I doubt he ever will. On the other hand, who CAN stand on that level?
"made good on Tour support"James1
Aug 11, 2001 9:21 PM
...isn't that what they were paid to do??? Its a job, just like anything else. You get paid to do it, and if you don't like it you can always quit.
"made good on Tour support"tr
Aug 11, 2001 10:55 PM
Sure it's a job. But i think Heras is more than a support rider. When Postal signed the spanish riders they gave the illusion that the spanish (particulary Heras)would recieve support for their tour. Maybe it was with good intentions, but it looks like hot air now. I like Postal, but i don't think everything they do is perfect or beyond reproach. It probably would have been better if Lance had said nothing about the Vuelta to start with.
Lancerodemiles
Aug 11, 2001 8:45 AM
Has anyone thought that maybe Lance's vital signs indicate he needs to take some time off before riding a serious event again? I would think more than just Lance makes his decisions about where and when he rides. I'm sure Chris Carmichael is constantly monitoring his vital statistics and Johan Bruyneel also has some say in his schedule.

The TDF's importance dwarfs all other races. Everyone knows about Lance winning the TDF. Only the dedicated cycle racing fans know about the other events. Right now, I'm sure the Postal management team has already started making plans for the 2002 TDF, and what Lance needs to do to win #4. Every event you participate in is dangerous; obviously, you have to compete to get ready but his entire schedule is arranged around the TDF. Just a fact.

I'll make a comparison to horse racing. If you have a thoroughbred that's capable of winning the Kentucky Derby, you don't run him in every event on the schedule. Likewise, when he's won one of the triple crown events you don't over-race him; he's worth much more as a stud than competing for prize money. And don't anyone make any snide, immature remarks about Lance not being able to be put up for stud.
LanceVelocipedio
Aug 11, 2001 9:54 AM
RE: "The TDF's importance dwarfs all other races. Everyone knows about Lance winning the TDF. Only the dedicated cycle racing fans know about the other events."

In all fairness, that's only really true of North America. In Europe, fans of the sport follow all of the races and, though the Tour is the biggest of the big races, it is far from the only one. Also important are the Giro and the Vuelta, the classics and the overall World Cup series.

Maybe American sports fans are so inundated with the oversaturation of US-specific sports like baseball, pro football, college football, college basketball and pro basketball [okay, this has an international following, but it is nowhere as saturated as in the US] that they just don't have the attention span for any more than one big bike race.
What are you talking about?James1
Aug 11, 2001 9:26 PM
re: "Maybe American sports fans are so inundated with the oversaturation of US-specific sports like baseball, pro football, college football, college basketball and pro basketball [okay, this has an international following, but it is nowhere as saturated as in the US] that they just don't have the attention span for any more than one big bike race."

We don't have the attention span for any more than one big bike race?? That's a ridiculous statement. Using your logic, I can also say for example, "maybe European sports fans are so inundated with the oversaturation of soccer and cycling that they just don't have the attention span for any other sports, like the WWF" LOL!
Now you're pushing it. WWF is a sport?????????Largo
Aug 12, 2001 5:19 AM
ARGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
It's harder than cycling!James1
Aug 12, 2001 11:08 AM
Bet that got your attention. heh heh. Anyways- I was just using that as an example. Insert your sport name here.