|Clinchers -vs- Tubulars||Icefrk13|
Aug 8, 2001 6:29 PM
|What are the main differences between tubulars and clinchers other than weight. I know tubulars do not use tubes and go on specific rims, but htat is about it. Any reasons why I should purchase one over the other when I start building my next ride let me know.
|Tubulars and Clinchers||Atombomber|
Aug 8, 2001 7:35 PM
|Both use inner tubes. Tubulars were originally known as 'Sew-ups'. The inner tube is completely encased in within the tire. The whole enchilada is then glued onto the rim. Lighter, smoother, and safer are the benefits. The negatives are you can't just pop the tube out, patch it, and put it back onto the rim. You have to replace the whole tire, and if you did a good glue-up, it can be a pain getting the tire off. Then, when you put the new tire back onto the old glue on the rim, it might not bond well if the glue has lost its tackiness. Once a box of punctured tubulars has been accumulated, they are usually thrown out, since unstiching the seam, pulling out the tube, patching that, stuffing the tube back in, sewing it up, and puncturing the patched tube with the needle and doing it all over again, is too time consuming. And $15/ repair can get pricy.
Unless you ride with tech support, and have unlimited tires, go with clinchers. They are getting lighter, smoother, and some can be pumped to very high pressure. Vresdesteins go up to 145psi for a 23mm, 160psi for a 20mm. With the clinchers, one can easily perform roadside flat repairs, and tubes are quite cheap.
Just my experiences.
|re: Clinchers -vs- Tubulars||TrekMan|
Aug 8, 2001 11:26 PM
|Like other people have said on all the different tubulars vs clinchers messages if you have to ask this question go with the clinchers. These days they are just as good as tubulars, except for the fact that they aren't stuck to the rims. Have a look at Michelin Axal Pros/Comps/Carbons or Vittoria Corsa clinchers, I've used both these and I feel they are very good. But that's just my 0.02.|
Aug 9, 2001 5:31 AM
|This man knows more than we do:
|re: Clinchers -vs- Tubulars||Rusty McNasty|
Aug 9, 2001 6:09 AM
|Any person who posesses even mediocre hand-eye coordination can fix a puncture on a tubular in about 20 minutes. Once you figure out the zipper stitch, it really is easy. Save them up until you have time, then fix them all at once. Did 7 repairs in 1 1/2 hours, once! Tufo is the only exception that I know of.
The cheap tubulars really are junk. A $15 tubular isn't worth even mounting, much less repairing. The good tubulars start at $45 each, although you can sometimes find them for as little as $32 each, by mail. Don't count on tubulars as your primary use tires.
The advantages of tubulars vs. clinchers are:
higher possible pressures (most go to 175 psig, some to 220 psig)
quicker change time on the road
fewer punctures (yes, it's true)
Aug 9, 2001 7:54 AM
|There are a few pointers which even the clincherphiles will agree on:
Tubulars tires always weigh less than clinchers
Tubular rims always weigh less than clincher rims
No clincher can hold the maximum pressure that a good tubular can.
For these reasons (and others), most of the TdF competitors, and nearly all track bikes use tubulars. They still have their place, and probably always will.
|quicker change time?||ak|
Aug 9, 2001 12:31 PM
|Are you trying to say that it is faster to change a flat on a tubular than on a clincher? If so could you explain this to me? If not could you explain what "quicker change time" means. I'm just not following you for some reason.|
|re: Campy -vs- Shimano, Al -vs- Ti||cyclopathic|
Aug 9, 2001 6:28 AM
|do you realize what you started? ;-)|
|re: Campy -vs- Shimano, Al -vs- Ti||Icefrk13|
Aug 9, 2001 5:26 PM
|I do...I do... but I am fairly new to this sport and am looking at slowly building a new bike and just did not want to spen any money on stupid stuff that I would have to replace very soon.
|me: new tubular convert||girodebirdman|
Aug 10, 2001 12:46 AM
|Hi. I just recently started riding tubs after training on clinchers for awhile. I was able to get a set of Rolf Pro's cheap, but they were tubs, so I had to make the switch. So far, I have been very happy. Found some cheap tires (Conti sprinter/Vittoria CX TT) new at the local recycles sporting goods place for $52 for the pair. I have more tires on order from sdeals.com. So far, after about 200 miles on these tires, I am very impressed. Ride quality is outstanding, cornering seems much more precise. Basically, I just enjoy the ride that much more. Fixing a flat at home may be hard the first time, but it will get better with practice. Tubs are for people who don't mind working on their bike, who, like me, have a stand and tools in their living room along with their bike in lieu of furniture. I saved almost 200 grams by going to this set, as well: this is rotating weight. Due to the light weight of tub rims, I am building up a set of climbing wheels that will weight approximately 1315 grams at 3x lacing, compared to 1600g for a set of clincher heliums. Not to shabby. But, the best reason for tubs is possibly their safety. If I remember correctly, last year in May Lance crashed in the Pyrennees due to a clincher blowout on a downhill, which put him in the hospital temporarily. When a clincher blows it comes off the rim, and you go down hard. If a tub blows, the air can't escape as fast (tire is sewn) and it won't come off the rim if glued properly. Therefore, you likely stay upright. Since I can get tubs cheap from europe, I will be training on them (except for cross) and racing on them as well. Really no reason not to, when you consider the advantages. That is, unless, you don't like working on your bike.|| |