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Lemond Ti and others questions(5 posts)

Lemond Ti and others questionsdying for a Ti
Aug 5, 2001 3:45 AM
tested a Lemond Victiore. No parking lot test but a 5 mile test. But I felt different on this bike, I felt long stretched out more. LBS trieds to explain that the top tube on my current bike(specialized comp 50CM) is similiar to the length of the top tube of the 51 CM Lemond. Explined the different geometry of seat tube ange but they lost me. Can someone explain in english? Am I paying too much attention to the yop tube length? Wonderful feel of the bike. But everyone says the Rolf wheels suck but I will be getting next years model with Bontrager wheels. Are they the same wheel but different name. And why so cheap on the price at 2999 it's the lowest I have seen.Also, What do others think about the Merlin Ti. I am awaiting to test the Agelis and Road Ti. What do compact frames have to offer a rider?
Ride the Lite (nm)Citius
Aug 5, 2001 7:13 AM
$3000 isn't cheap....C-40
Aug 5, 2001 11:24 AM
Although the Lemond frame certainly looks well made, from those I've seen on the road, $3000, (plus another $200 in sales tax) certainly isn't cheap. An Ultegra bike kit (everything but frame and fork) is only about $950. The Bontrager wheels might add another $100 to the value. This leaves you paying $1950 for the frame and fork. In this price range, there are a huge number of frames to choose from. I've never understood the lust for a dull grey bike myself. I like them with bright fancy paint jobs (Colnago, Pinarello, Carrera, Tommasini). There are a lot of better values out there, IMO.

The seat tube angle of the Lemond is 73.25 degrees, instead of the the 74 to 75 degree angle that is more common for this size of frame. The top tube is only slightly longer than other brands (.5 to 1cm). These differences aren't huge. Changes to saddle positon and stem length can make this frame fit like many others.

The Lemond geometry positions the saddle further back in relation to the bottom bracket, compared to other brands. This affects the knee-over-pedal (KOP) position, placing the knee further behind the pedal spindle. This results in the ability to apply more torque to the pedals, but generally reduces pedaling speed (cadence). Since power equals torque times cadence, it's a trade off that may or may not produce more power, depending on your pedaling style. The Lemond website,, has some propaganda on this geometry.

If you prefer a steper seat tube angle and a shorter top tube length, merely moving the saddle forward by 1 to 2cm will correct both problems at the same time. If the saddle position feels good to you, but the top tube feels too long, just reduce the stem length by 1cm to get the same reach that you would on other brands of frames.

Compact frames offer no advantage for riders who use small frame sizes. Standard frames are already as stiff as anyone small enough to ride them needs. Compact frames in small sizes could be overly stiff and produce an uncomfortable ride.
Well said c-40 n.m.AD14
Aug 5, 2001 11:38 AM
re: Lemond Ti and others questionsLA Roadie
Aug 5, 2001 11:42 AM
Test rode a Victoire at Supergo and it was marked at $2499, so you may be able to use that as leverage w/your LBS. In contrast to the poster above, this seems like a pretty good deal to me. The bontranger wheels are nearly exact copies of Rolf Vector Comps which sell for $400 (not my first choice, but people seem to have good things to say about them). I thought the Lemond frame rode better than the similarly priced and equiped Litespeed Tuscany.