|Greg Lemond: World Class Whiner once again!||Guillermo|
Aug 3, 2001 12:21 PM
|Isn't it interesting? We all know of Lemond's latest negativism in the Sports Illustrated article on LA, but Sports Illustrated reminded me of the true Greg Lemond that many of us don't know or remember. In his heyday in the late 80s, Lemond himself was the feature of a Sports Illustrated article in which he was dubbed, "Greg Lemond: World Class Whiner".
This is the same Lemond whose "congratulatory" remarks to Indurain after his first Tour win were: "He'll find it harder winning the second one." Congratulations, Miguel!
This is the same Lemond who whined famously for all these years about the treachery perpetrated against him in the 1986 Tour de France and the "Promise" that Hinault made to him. One can put whatever spin on it that they choose, but do you think a rider like Hinault is going to work for anyone but himself? He and Look owner Tapie were the ones who hired Lemond in the first place to help eliminate Hinault's competition. Lemond recognized this fact himself when he said: "I probably should not have signed with La Vie Claire [which had Hinault as team leader], if I wanted to win the Tour de France." Also, from the now defunct Winning Bicycle Racing Illustrated, former pro-rider and then Director Sportif, Jan Raas was quoted to say: "The problem with Greg is that when Hinault started messing, instead of doing something about it, he moaned."
But, MY favorite example of treachery is the 1982 World Championship Road Race, in which Lemond became the perpetrator instead of the victim.
Yes, it's the same Lemond that chased down his own teammate. Lemond chased down Jock Boyer, who was leading in the final mile. Saronni passed them both to win, with Lemond finishing 2nd, and a devastated Boyer coming in 10th. Lemond's explanation was as follows: "We are not on the same team (trade), and I did not want to see [Boyer] world champion." However, Boyer's post race comments were, "I never would have chased down another American."
If Lemond's comments surprised you, they didn't surprise me. He's just the same old World Class Whiner.
|oh shut up plz||cyclopathic|
Aug 3, 2001 12:37 PM
|unless you can ride as good as he can, whiner!|
|Since when does stating the facts make me a whiner?||Guillermo|
Aug 3, 2001 12:57 PM
|No wonder you're "cyclopathic".
I stated recorded facts. Look 'em up. Unfortunately, Lemond has a different take on facts, hence the whole "guilt by association" thing that we've discussed and discussed and discussed. But I guess that only the "Great Greg" has earned the right to criticize.
My post was to examine if Lemond was a reputable source for this slander against LA. Apparently you didn't understand me.
But, then again, if I quoted Greg Lemond in my post, I suppose that makes me a whiner, too.
|Guillermo knows his SH#$||Slothlike|
Aug 3, 2001 1:24 PM
|From what I can remember, what he says is true about Lemond. the comments he made about Lance were unwarranted and this is coming from a guy who lives in America where you are innocent until proven otherwise. He cannot stand the fact that the Tour De France and Lemond will no longer be associated when the masses of Americans refer to cycling. Now everyone including the majority who don't follow cycling, will associate the TDF and cycling with Lance and that burns Lemond's ass. He actually incrinimates himself in his statement to Sports Ill. At the end of the blurb, he says "It sounds like I'm bitter or jealous about Lance Armstrong, but I'm not".
First of all anyone who ever closes a statement like that at the end of verbalization denying what will be the obvious interpretation by others is always jealous and bitter. Secondly, Why would he need to feel bitter? He didn't lose to Lance. He should be proud but he obviously is bitter. His statements were uncalled for and when Lance wins his 4th TDF, Lemond will probably get sick to his stomach the jealous pric#. I cheered Lemond on in the 80s but I lost all respect for him now.
|Isn't it the fact||cyclopathic|
Aug 3, 2001 6:03 PM
|that you're not worth man's pinky?
Or maybe I am wrong you can ride faster then Greg, forgive me!
LA was badmouthing Greg for how many years now? So what if Greg does the same? I don't care I still think both of them are best US cyclist
Who are you to critisize either of them?
What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to the ox, so shut up whiner, go and ride your bike
|Isn't it the fact.. that a whiner is one....||Tom C|
Aug 3, 2001 6:43 PM
|according to Webster's,"complains in a childish undignified way." Seems to fit you and your hero. But good, now that you found evidence of LA's badmouthing of Greg for years, maybe that will clear up Lemonds peculiar motivation for trying to bring down Armstrong through insinuation. This will add to the discussion and at least you will have stopped whining!|
|My cycling ability has nothing to||Slothlike|
Aug 3, 2001 7:48 PM
|do with whether Lemond's criticism was appropriate. He should have just kept quiet and allowed Lance his 3rd day in the sun. It is unprofessional and how fast I can ride has nothing to do with that. Your argument involving me is retarded and as long as I am faster than you I would be happy. Lance has publicly stated that Lemond was the reason why he wanted to be a cyclist. His criticsm of Lance on the day of his winning the Tour was OBVIOUSLY BITTER SOUR GRAPES. You would have to be an idiot not to see that. Even the greatest cyclist ever Eddy Merckxx can give praise to someone that has proven themselves. Why can't Lemond. I have always been a fan of Lemond and watched him way back when, but now he is just a douchebag.
|Greg's major concern has always been his ego and pocketbook.nm||42/52 Kelly|
Aug 3, 2001 1:11 PM
|Just like Lance. nm||J.S.|
Aug 3, 2001 1:45 PM